Under The Rock

Zachary cage · Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:11 am Post subject:

as alura speaks zack simply gawks at what alura says.
he then shakes his head and rubs his brow

Summer · Joined: 17 Apr 2010 Posts: 31 Location: Behind You!

Never said you did. But respect would have been if you ither asked to come or at least showed your self. That wasn't being respectful that was snooping. And I wasn't just talking about the Brujah, I was speaking of all clans. The Baron has a right to know what goes on in her or his city but the clans still have a right to their privacy. And not to mention you are very good at hiting people without fists. You have a great talent for building Charles up and belittleing him all in the same sentice.
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Summer · Joined: 17 Apr 2010 Posts: 31 Location: Behind You!

And again we can invite people to our rants. Zack got invited, because there was something that needed to be discussed with him. It has nothing to do with what clan he was.
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Zachary cage · Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:11 pm Post subject:

Zachary dissapears into the other room and comes back a moment later.
a minute later a waitress comes in and places a drink in front of him.
she adds "your food will be up in a moment."

he nods and once she leaves, he takes a giant gulp of it.
after the gulp, he then puts the drink down and starts talking. "well i must say we are wasting time beating sticks with dead horses. and i dont feel like waiting here for daybreak. so after my meal is ready to go i am going to leave. Charles, if you are indeed not going to take the position it saddens me as all the points you brought up tonight only enforces my wanting you to be baron. In the mean time i will be around if anyone needs me. for anyone who wishes to reach me my number is (blah blah blah insert number here). however do not think that this is over. this is merely postponed until someone else is figured out to be a possible candidate is named. hopefully that person will accept the honor."
after he takes another drink from his glass he continues.
"we will continue this discussion at a later date. and although I know you will not do so alura I would ask that you refrain from talking to other factions at this time as we are in the middle of anarch affairs and they do not need to know about what is going on at this moment in time. they need only know the outcome after it is over"

Alura · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 369

The problem arises where everyone is trying to elect my fellow clansman to a position he's not yet ready for nor wants. In addition the problem goes so much deeper.

I love how everyone is willing to support me 3 months ago and everyone flipped on their heads so quickly over nothing.

We killed off the wyrm and removed pentax from the area.

The werewolves are no longer a threat.

Hunters whom have killed the entire clan of werewolves couldn't even manage to properly kidnap some ghouls with us standing in their way.

We have made only progress and I've been highly involved (as well as many others) in dealing with it.

I have not changed, but merely under the attacks of multiple powers and for this I have been accused of being unfit to lead. Anyone who was in the position of Baron would be under the exact same attacks that I am now.

The old baron has stepped down, we have enemies on all sides of us and our position has improved and for this people want to see me dead?

Charles wants a war with the Sabbat, Ulric wants a war with the Camerillian and successfully I have maintained peace with both.

Does anyone realize the state of Rockland right now? All the elders are in hiding, including the baron's gang. And no one thinks there is good reason?

So excuse me for trying to find out what's going on in my own town. Believe it or not, I'm trying to solve problems here, Ms, I'm going to breech the masquerade in front of of 30,000 witnesses while the Baroness covers it up. If I'm going to cover up everything that goes on in this town, I first have to know about it.

The fact of the matter is that even if there was a better candidate, how do you think the Sabbat and Cam are going to react with another change of leadership 3 months later after an area that was controlled for 200 years by the same baron stepped down for the same exact problems that you are giving me now.

You should think more about supporting whomever is in power. This way we don't have our neighboring vampires come in and suck us dry. Let us stop the damned infighting before we're all dead and there is nothing left to fight about.

This isn't about me or you anymore. The question really is, are you for Rockland or are you against it?

Charles Rockledge · Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:56 pm Post subject:

Well, I didn't exactly want antrim at the time either or the North West Sector per se. I don't really care about what I do and don't want from a personal pespective. I do what jobs I'm given best as I can get them done.

We removed Pentex once before when it was here as magadon. Not a quarter later it was back as Endron. No doubt some new anex or dummy corporation or branch office thereof is alread setting its sites on rockland. Hopefuly this time we can acquire enough of the recently freed influence to make it harder for them to come back in again. As a silver lining to the stormcloud it looks like this hunter group has tied up some influence too. Keeps it from us until we deal with them, but keeps it from them too.

That was a huge amount o luck, a timely diversion on Mac's part, and we couldn't avoid a masquerade brech to do it that required you influence to cover that otherwise could have been spent elsewhere. That went better than expected, but still could have gone better with more planning and organisation. Next time... well, we'd best be on top form.

Richard didn't want war with the imperial order. The imprial order wanted war with the new world. Agressor makes the rules. Defenders choice is to fight or to submit. The sabbat are the agressors and it is they who want war. Postponing the inevitable with repeated apeasments and placations the likes of which have already cost us the life of the Brujah elder Rayne is not the best choice of political stratagies to continue to uphold. Once we settle our present conflicts, the best thing for our future is to rid the area of the sabbat, or at the veryleast prove to them that wecould if we wanted to and thereore they should take the treaty and respect of our borders to heart.

If she hadn't chanced it, they would have gotten away the ghouls and learned too much about us.

-raises eyebrow.
Well as for the cam, Greater new York has changed Princes twice in the past two years, and the court of storms changes princes faster than an athlete changes socks. As for the sabbat, I don't realy care what they think. They're wrong in pratially all of their thoughts anyway. They thought without the bardonia rockland had become weak. Perhaps they were right about that in the moment, but it is a sitution I say we can recover from.

Yeah, I voted for George Bush in 04 too Razz

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Alura · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 369

Now if you're looking to start a political debate that parallel's the American system. I didn't start a war to ensure I would be re-elected, to steal oil from our advisories, and to destabilize an area and to detract from America's problems.

The Sabbat have not declared war on us. The have however declared war on the Camerillian.

If you've ever played the game Risk you'd understand better the position we are in. Imagine if you will, blue armies on one side of us, green on the other, red on yet another, gray on another and yellow on the other.

We have enough 'armies' to defend against attacks from any side. As long as red is fighting blue it keeps us able to fend off both colors.

Now what you're suggesting in this case is working with blue to wipe out red. Blue being the Camerillians and red being the Sabbat.

The danger here is three fold.

The first danger is obvious, where once we attack blue we lose. This comes from overestimating our strength, or underestimating theirs.

The second danger comes from our surrounding neighbors where any one of them could attack us while we're busy attacking blue, this includes red.

The third danger is less obvious, once we weaken or take the area, red's neighbors could come in and attack the area that once was red. This could include other Sabbat that is much more aggressive or another enemy that is much worse.

Let us not forget the same thing could happen with blue's territory.

Now we're not playing risk here. Every attack that happens requires a huge amount of money and influence to go behind it. For every attack made by either side, we have to cover up the masquerade. The Sabbat will purposely breech masquerade in our area just so we're forced to use our influence to cover it up. If we attack them, you can be sure the Sabbat will be breaching masquerade so again we will have to cover it up.

The last and perhaps the most important matter is lives. War costs lives. We haven't lost a single Anarch life since I was put in power. Before that we were previously losing one Anarch a month including Wiggs.

So if you want to deal with Alura not personally cleaning up your shit all the time, that is fine by me. Compared to previously we've have every problem around here cleaned up rather quickly, and that leaves us time for petty squabbles and attacking each other.

Things have been almost too good around here. I have been personally covering the masquerade almost completely all by myself since the Baron stepped down.

If ex Baron thought it would have been a good idea to remove the Sabbat from the area, don't you think that within 200 years, he would have done so by now?

The way to 'win' Risk is to sit back and let everyone else fight while you sit back biding your time. We happen to have all the time in the world.

So let us deal with the matters at hand and deal with these hunters. If people still have an issue with me, let me know now, or consider this matter dropped so we can deal with the real matters at hand, instead of petty squabbles.

Charles Rockledge · Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:00 pm Post subject:

I prefer the more simple analagy, that they, the terrorist supporting nations were the bad guys, the axis of evil, and we were the good guys the freedom fighters. We went to war because itis the resposability of the "good guys" to prevent t"the bad guys" from being able to hurt and opress the masses.

Their war on the camarilla was declared half a millenia ago. It's only ben the last few years though that hteyhave violated our treaty and engaged in hostile actions against and masquerade breeches within Rockland county.

Yes. For one, red and blue are not equally matched and holding each other at a stalemate anymore. Red has been winning. The camarila have been steadily loosing ground for years now. Would it really be easier to try living as free anarchs in a sabbat controlled world than in a camarillan one. Would it be easier to try and reform the sabbat than it would be to reform the camarilla?

Keeping America as our metaphore, ook at WWII. We could have crushed germany years before the conflict escalated so far out of hand. Our determination to stay out of europes buisness and remain neutral led to tradgedy in eurpoe and eventually the darkness set it's sites on our soil anyway. I see history repeating itself now with the sabbat. If we stay out of it, then they will eventually finish with the camarilla and turn their ravenous appetites onto anarch and independent territories. Instead, I say let us stop them before they gain too much power to be able to do so without a full sacale war. Lets us work with the cam to set the sabbat advance ack now.

Wiping them out isn't actually an option. They are too many, too fast, to scattered amongst various fronts. We can however repel them from our own townships, or at least prove to them that we could do so if they don't return to honoring our treaty.

We can also reclaim some of the recently conquored territoryin the north of this state. We can barter our aide in a camarillan counterstrike for the additional security and vbenefit of rockland. The cam still maintain a territory in rockland. What if they can be persuaded to part with it in exchange for our services in helping to reclame some northern townships. Pushing our sabbat south, and the cam agreeing to pull back north would leave ALL of Rockland as Anarch and Independent territory. Imagine an enire county free from either sects direct presence. I'd call that a huge step forward in the establishment of the status perfectus. A step not since achieved since the hayday of california. Rockland would be a beacon of hope for the anarch cause the world over.

We're atacking red not blue. The trick is not to underestimate their strenght or overestimate ours. The trick is to first develope our strenght or borrow some fro others. Either allies in thae camm setites, giovanni, assamites, ect. garou ven, else via manipulated parties like the hnters. Also to ge a realistic assesment of their strenght via proper intelligence gahering and surveilance in anticipation of any actual offensive.

That's a question of timing, and who's involved and and where we stand with them all. This is why patching relations with setites and giovani is important. At the moment we needn't worry abou garou as enemies. The cam wont attack us whilewe are attacking red. At worst, the will attack us just after they've used us against red. There is a stratagy for such treachy though. The Scorpian tactic. We hold a reserve force back in case we need to surprise 'allies who've decided to surprise us. With the corporation on rebound, acting soon might allow us to leave them off the enemy list for the time frame of the immediate attack too.

Yes, the trick is holdingthe former red area after wetake it. I'm hoping our success as mentioned abouve will encourage more anarchs to want to comehere and defend the prize of a new budding status pefectus as many anarchs once went to california. Also i'm hoping for the first few months anyway, they wont be able to immediatly adapt to our nwfound tactics buying us the time to shore up the borders by the time they do. I want to see about warding the border even. Like Hartford once had.

Why? Blue will have gotten more in the bargain than what I am suggesting they cede. They will have counties back, all I am asking is townships.

Which is why we only use the inevitable attacks, otherwise known as the defensice counter-attack. When they attack us again, and they will. We don't stop just after they blow up this bar, we finish it. We use the excuse of that days events to cover the rest of the actoions that we planed in advance awaiting that pretext.

Yes, war costs lives. In the case of the sabbat, sitting around doing nothing also costs lives. It cost the lie of my daughters mother and all her coworkers at stilletos. Which will cost less lives? Living as we have been, or removing the problem in one fell swoop. Especially if we coordinate and prosecute properly and effectively.

Well, Allura, I don't want you to think we don't appreciate it, because we do, but I have to say, even before your tenure, Rockland has sort of become a one trick pony when it comes to covering up masquerade breeches. It's always a movie. Zombies - movie, toxins - movie, bridg shootout - movie, face torn off in the cafe - move ...or antrim play or what not. It gets noticiably suspicious after awhile.

We need to add some variey to our cover stories. Make them useful and sometimes hide in plain site. Like when Fionas bane melted her in public view are of this bar. Instead of "special effects" I told the press it was bad reaction to "alice" the street drug, and let the full horror of the chemical acid side effect be used to spook people from trying the drug and hopefully make the buisness of its sale unprofitable and not worthwhile in this area, had a setite arrange the evidence through the health department and hospital autopsy report, and a giovani help me 'dispose' of the remains.

They didn't attack us in those 200 years. They've been breeching treaty only since joey bag of donusts. Before that we weren't getting on all that bad. We even played in the woods together with the gangrel that time. Something happened and they turned from cordial neigbors into a threat. Probably the perception that we couldn't respond in kind. Especially after the baron left. We need them to know that we are powerful enough to ruin their day when they deide to have a spot of fun ruining our day.

That doesn't work, whoever wins the rest of the game and is left facing only you has all the territiry to draw troops from while I only have australia or south america and then I loose in the end. Somtimes "they" don'teven let me sit back and wait to finish second. Someone comes for my teritory thinkng it's value will help them against one of the other opponents. Note how the corporation keeps comming after rockland.

We don't have all the time in the world either. For all I know, the world is going to end the october after next. A right and proper judgement day. I'd like to secure our position by then just in case. orking on timelines make sus more eficcient. The "well e have forever,let's get to it next decade instead" is an attitude that leads to procrastination which in m opinion is the rot that is causing the camarilla itself to fail and crumble from the inside. Anarchs keep our strenght by always being in action.
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Billy · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 197

Ok im tired and this is getting annoying.

As of now it's fecking hunters tied to all of the police in the area...i'm snooping around there, to find the names of these fuckers.

I could use some help with this, in fact i think that someone with good organization skillz...

:turns head to Alura, brief pause, turns head back to group:

get every anarch with police influence to combine forces to find the fuckers.

So once we get the names, we give them to anarchs who like to smash things

:turns head to Summer, turns head back to group:

and they get all the info we need.

Or we can get their names and force 'em to....

:to charles: watch a play to convert 'em....or whatever the fuck you do.

So unless someone comes up with a better plan for the present situation, i suggest that the whole red vs blue army crap go on the back burner.
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Billy · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 197

i'll leave saying this.

this problem is one of defense, and of unorganization. now i established what we should do for defense. But with alot of anarchs in trouble, and with 1/2 of the older canites living in other territories. I think the canites who are here should unite.

So Alura, I am going to unify the anarchs who aint affiliated with the gangs and form a new group as defenders of rockland. we will have one common goal, protecting the anarch cause, specificly this territory. This unification will be the first step into making rockland a bastion of the anarch cause, that will be the envy of anarchs around the world!

So i ask anyone here if they wish to join, please do so. I'm out.

:mask of 1K faces, to look like Richard Nixon...'71 version:

:put both hands up over head and makes peace symbols:

PEACE!

:Drop mask and walk out the door:
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Charles Rockledge · Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:27 am Post subject:

:calls after him
I thought that was the 'Knights' mission statement?
Anyway, leave contact info for if you are coordinating the uniform police action, I'll send my influence your way for this month.
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