Under The Rock

Charles Rockledge · Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:11 pm Post subject:

The way I hear it told, folks get in to the biz, of vampyre hunting that is, after some of our kind, typically, presumably the the sabbat, have already screwed up there lives in some big fashion. Murder a loved one horifically or what not, and so they hunt us in vengeance. If this is the way of it, then screwing up their normal lives wont help as they'd consider there lives already as screwed up as it possibly could get; not like comic heroes who have a good life in their secret identities and only "fight crime" out of some sense of duty.

You can say it public, Zach.
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Zachary cage · Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 7:24 pm Post subject:

"well first off the vengance theory is one. however we are dealing with religious zealots which i believe rules that out. i believe they think we are abominations that should be put down. therefore they have put us on priority before any family and such. the most dangerous opponents are ones with nothing to lose and those that believe they have higher purpose from the divine. we need to figure out how to hit them so that they can not recuperate. that is the big question."
zack clears his throat
"as for what i want to say to you charles, i had felt that you would make a suitable baron. I saw strength and not once have i ever seen you comprimise your beliefs. That is why I had recomended you to be our next baron. you seemed like you know the inner workings of the land. you do have the experience and know the past of this area. you try your damndest to make sure everyone is satisfied with the end result. and i saw courage to lead. to make sure the anarchs belief is upheld. however it is your right to decline this position and i will not force you. no one can force you. Its just that yes we all have flaws including you i will not deny that. i just felt that despite everyone here you had the know how to put people where they belong. you, out of everyone here, has touched every kindred that comes your way. i know when i first arrived you were one of the first to welcome me. and to find out what i was all about. because thats what you do. you find out what everything is and where it belongs."
zack then takes a deep breath and sighs
"unfortunatly again i cannot force you nor can i clone you or anything along those lines. it is in your right being an anarch to decline. it just saddens me that maybe...never mind...its just that i saw great potential in you"
zachary slumps down into a chair in the back of the room next to the door

Alura · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 369

I actually did spirit touch the rune as you saw me do earlier.

I saw a child who watched his parents die to vampires. Sabbat actually. Morticia I believe and one other (Which she describes, who is also Sabbat). These people have devoted their lives to killing us because 'we' have done something traumatic to them.

So we would be sending the hunters back at their real enemies.

They use the rune to mark things. Probably things they have purified. The issue with sending them to the Sabbat is still cleaning up the masquerade, if they are having vampire hangings this still becomes something we have to cover.

I was a paladin once too. I was converted. I eventually accepted my fate and I have been a vampire ever since. There isn't really a choice in the matter. You're a vampire, you can either accept it or kill yourself. Once they're on our side all their skills and influence can be used to benefit us.

My point is, if they can take out an entire werewolf pack. They might be very useful on our side.

Alura · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 369

And I would like Francois to be Baron. However people don't support the people in power. The people in power is unappreciated and are targeted 24/7. I'm sure he is both laughing and hanging his head in shame at us with all of our infighting.

I learned from him, I know the politics.

Charles has a compromise haven, he has a stranger living there. He has a kind heart and he's a wonderful person. But sometimes Charles doesn't know when to say no and doesn't know when to run. Like that Nuclear blast that left you with your intestines hanging out of your body and on the ground, while we nursed you back to health. We've been through a lot together. Charles always stands by his convictions but sometimes they are too strong convictions. None of this takes away from his people skills, his intelligence or his vision.

But you're getting quite good at sucking the cock Mr. Zachary.

He also wants all of the Sabbat dead. And while I hate the Sabbat myself, I know that without the Sabbat, the Cam would get bored and attack us instead.

Zachary cage · Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:34 pm Post subject:

Zachary frowns upon alluras remarks then replies
"allura, I dont know what eating chicken has to do with this but quite frankly I was not talking to you. Yes his convictions are strong and thats what we need in a leader. one who isnt afraid to go after what he believes in. but we also need someone who will also know who our allies are and how to keep them. unlike you who since you arrived has lost us two of our allies it seems. angering the sedites and the giovanni is not something that is reccomended unless you have a death wish. therefore there are matters that need tending to. I personally will not spend another day as an anarch with allura as baron."
zachary then grins as he says "you do know that with becoming a vampire there is alot of sucking and bleeding involved. right? and thats from both parties. over the course of several days. i wonder how you got tricked into sucking your blood"

Alura · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 369

I'm pretty sure politics are more complicated than that.

The Setites and Giovanni are fighting over the same pieces of property. The graveyards.

The Giovanni wanted the graveyard at the Palisades mall. Which according to these documents here I own. And I offered it to them conditionally. The Giovanni is claiming someone else owns this instead of this legal 5 ironclad contract right here.

As everyone saw he slapped me in public. And as I mentioned what would happen if any one of us slapped his boss. I also asked him to set up a meeting with the Don for the piece of land they're interested in. So I have been more than willing to work with them.

As for the Setites, they wanted the same thing you were opposed against. An unconditional anarch favor, but in exchange for nothing. That was why I stormed out of the meeting. They dragged my name through the mud almost getting me killed and then wanted me and all of us to owe them a favor? No thanks.

As for the Setites, I believe we can restore relations in exchange for rescuing their ghouls which we did. Socially I believe the Giovanni and I need to talk. It is a very precarious balance between the two. As long as things are equal on both sides, we're in a decent position. They're almost two opposing factions.

Charles Rockledge · Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:02 am Post subject:

@Zack
to clarify, I'm not declining outright, I'm trying to pursuade you lot that Allura has only gotten a bad rap and isn't actually failing to carry out the communities will, and so should herself remain baron. If I fail to convince the community of that, then of course I'd be willing to fill in.

It just seems to me that many of the problems you have with her in terms of political philosophy, would be the same with me; or more so even. I favor rigidly structured beurocratic-repuplican style governing systems, such as what we had under Baron Bardonia. The mood of the populace lately and your own mood too, have seemed to been more for democraic-socialist style governing systems.

I don't know how to operate one of those and think such systems are doomed to inevitable failure. Whereas adjudication of responsabilities betweens multiple levels of few but proven leaders creates the neccessary coordination for strong community actions. It does require many to agree, choose, accept, that they must follow those leaders.

Similaryl if you want the opportunity to swap leaders out; as opposed to wily nily, I'd propose regular, say annual elections, held at the same specific date for when the community decides if it is or isn't happy with it's incumbant leaders, and who will be replacing them if neccsary. Within the year itself however, dissention can't be allowed to win out over commitment to the communities progress. When it does, you get like this situation with obama and bush in last two years of his term, where everyone wants to do something but no one and none of the leaders are wiling to work with each other to get anything done. We can't have that kind of grinding to a halt of our buisness. We need to be able to keep things moving and gaining momentum.
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Alura · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 369

*She nods along in agreement.* Very well stated Charles.

Charles Rockledge · Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:48 am Post subject:

@Allura
Biological/Chemical/Nuclear weapons are useful too, until an industial accident leaks them into ones own backyard. Then they suck. I don't see any kind mutual understanding developing between this group of hunters and us. The only use they will be to us is use they have been manipulated into being, and that is only a short term thing. We can't risk "keeping them around" or we'll end up just as bad off. They aren't "goodguy" hunters this lot. They are completley indiscriminane. They make no disinction between endrons affiliated werewolves, and the loal Cairn of right and proper tree-huggers. They already target the cam and the anarch,the least evil of all our kind.

Embracing them by force and hoping they come to grip with their new identies... Between the time they awake and the time they come o grips, they may slaughter us al firs in vengeance for damning them. Now sliping som vitae into the punch bowl at the police benefit party might perhaps more quicly altehteir perceptions of us. They might be prepared for such tricks though.

You mean the gallery? Thousands of strangers pass through there every day. The gallery isn't exactly the inner sanctum of my secret lair.

I know when to run. All the time. The trick is to when to run towards and when to run away.

I didn't decide for a magadon famori to blow himself up in proximity of me and half dozen other anarchs. I caught more blast only because back then I hadn't yet mastered my powers of celerity.

Yes. It's true. You too though are standing by a conviction not to get pushed over by the setites when perhaps the greater interest might be served by doing so.

Aw now that wa uncalled for. Steven once accused me of the same thing reguarding Jean-Luis.

I want our sabbat dead. We're in a bigger world now we've opened ourselves up to what's beond this county. The cam have sabbat to their north, west and south to contend with; all of whom are a grat deal of trouble. The sabbat can aford to loose a couple of townships in rockland without suddenly finding the whole sects cappacity to wreak havoc at all impared.

The cam, unlike the sabbat, care about the masquerade. sectwars endager the masqerade. This is enough for me to trust them to keep there part in the treaty as I do not trust the sabbat to do so, breaching it whenever they become powerful enough to do so.

Is there only one grveyard in Rockland?
Is it possible they would consider sharing plenty of graves to go around no?

So what? Summer slaps me in public all the time. Amy picked me up by the scruff of the neck in public. knee him in the groin then call it bygones and move on. No need to alianate usefl allies over personal affronts.

So reply, "I'm sorry, but I can't offer an unconditional favor, but perhaps two conditional favors as compromise?." What's "nothing"? Does Sid consider "it" to be nothing. If he is perciving it as "something", ask after his peceptions then gauge what value favor it is worth. You might consider it "nothing", but if means adding some sorcerers to our next attack againd the hunters, that's something I'd pay a favor for.

Though your right, we did do them a favor freing their ghouls so... but trading favors isn't a relationship. I'd like to see us al closer again, genuinly close like efore. Sid used to attend our gatherings from time to time. Even host em in his own place. He'd ofer tidbits of advice.
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Zachary cage · Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:09 am Post subject:

zachary claps at charles statement.
"i see you get it."

Alura · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 369

I'm sorry but it is socially unacceptable to smack someone in public, especially a female, even more a baroness. What would happen to you if you slapped the Don in front of everyone, or a Prince, or a Bishop. You'd be ash my friend.

No. Perhaps you misunderstand the situation. It is ridiculous to go around giving free favors for them to clean up their own mess that they created. There is a difference between politics and bending over and taking it.

There is peace and there is being walked all over. And I'm not going to allow anyone to walk all over us.

I did think you let the girl into your haven. I'm glad to hear however it was only the gallery.

Also just as with anyone there would be an assimilation phase. I wouldn't mind strengthening Rockland with a few new high influence recruits.

You're also assuming we can take out the Sabbat without us losing anyone. War often involves death. And on both sides my friend. Tell me, how many Sabbat is your life worth?

We've been REALLY lucky in the past 2 assaults we have made. No one has died. I'm not sure how long that streak will last.

inblack83 · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 398

::Mac Looks at Aaron, Point to his watch, and then points to the door. They both leave very quickly, Aaron leaving his smoke, burning in the ashtray...::

Charles Rockledge · Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:41 pm Post subject:

Well, aren't we claiming to bemore philosophically enlightened than those lots?

Perhaps I do misunderstand. What is the whole situation? Why is it about cleaning up a mess past tense versus joint actions taken in the future? We want to patch things so Setites, Giovani and Anarchs can as citizens of rockland county work together instead of independently of each other. It is better for all members of the county to share our abilities during a crisis.

Well, if we can get the place cleaned out by one enemy then attack said weakened enemy. I'm hoping to reduce casulties on our side as much as possible. The new enemy will atack again soon and risk lives, the sabbat while here will perpetually attack evermore. There presence is a continual risk to lives. Eliminating that threat save many more future casulties and ight increase our own emmigration rates once we've shored up security and increased available range.
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Summer · Joined: 17 Apr 2010 Posts: 31 Location: Behind You!

I'm not usualy one for much talking I generaly perfer to just hit things but I do have something to say about a comment you made before 'baroness'.

Alura · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 369

Well thank you for the permission to invite me sometime. I'm pretty sure the previous Baron didn't have to ask permission to find out what is happening in his own city.

I'm also pretty sure it wasn't matters of Brujah national security as a Malkavian was invited into the mix.

I thought it better to simply show up, quietly in the background, not disturbing anyone and quietly listening than to wire the entire city with cameras.

Please excuse me for being respectful.

But you are welcome, I really don't mind covering up your breaches of masquerade and getting backhanded in the same conversation. You are quite good at hitting things. One doesn't always need to use one's fist to hit things.