Under The Rock

V......... · Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:01 am Post subject: ...

oh and i just ask for fallen angles to get any and every teaching that is offered.we will work on our building of territory to insure safty.

Charles Rockledge · Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:32 pm Post subject:

They'll want my head for more than that. I'll see to it personally. IU want them angry when they come here. To angry to care that this is a trap. Or confused... that'll work too.

The only problem with the idea, is that it's not only hunters who know where to find us. I'm tired of our plans running amok because the sabbat or others of the camarilla or ...at times the corporation even, or garou, or independent, crash the gathering and... at best, distract us with their issues. We might consider leading the hunters to a place that everyone else doesn't already know is number one Anarch gathering spot. I do own property outside of this gallery that would make just as good a trap if not better and with less collatoral damage at risk.

I'll have the candleabras on and the fire place. Real one not gas... Though on second thought with a pyromancer about perhaps flashlights is better, but are we sure the technopath can't shut those off too?

I'm not experienced yet in direct combat either, nevertheless, I presume I will in fact be on the front line in this fight. I am after all the bait.

((We can't learn demolitions in UTR))
I'll see what I can do. Actually, I can arrange a ransom based bomb threat in advance perhaps so as to have an excuse to have a bomb squad on site. The question is, how to keep them out of the way for all the supernatural stuff.
-looks at Ulric,
Could you fix it so they'd be unable to percieve anything supernatural? Like order their minds not to acknowledge or realise or make memory or something?

Hang on, we still need to actually vote on the top three bits of priority. Including; do you feel Sid and the Don's representetives should be brought in to add some magic to our side for this fight, the regent even if at all practical? If so, what forms of payment are you willing to find acceptable? How do you all feel about the 'Five Points Compromise'? May I offer it to all concerned or no?
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Zachary cage · Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:14 pm Post subject:

Juan is furiously scribbling notes down. hector shifts his weight a little bit and starts to speak when Vincent quietly enters the room and sits down next to Juan and reads the notes.
hector then proceeds to speak
"don't you think that after so many times of this place being the gathering place for us and the trap location that they'll know its a trap? i mean seriously, holmes, even the average person doesn't walk into the house of the person they don't like unless they have a damn good reason."

after a moment when hector finishes Vincent speaks in a calm soft spoken manner (wearing a crafts x 5 suit and his short hair slicked to the side.)
"also one more thing. you made mention of one of them wielding a sword? I don't remember one holding a blade when we took that one down. (brief pause) I apologize for my tardiness i had prior engagements that had to be taken care of as soon as possible. Another point is if they are indeed as powerful as you say they are...wouldn't they be immune to any form of coercion that would go against their values or code or such?"

Juan then blurts out at hector "I dunno essay he seemed pretty squishy to me eh EH"
(this is followed by a quick banter between the two followed by Vincent glancing at them and they quiet down quickly)

Vincent then starts up again
"now I don't think that killing them will solve our problem nor will I think that this "coercion" plan will work either. If they are as intelligent as you say they are they will undoubtedly know what we did if they lose everyone but the techno savvy individual, followed by the dissapearance of said individual. that is however just my thoughts on the one point i managed to read up on."
Vincent then looks down at the notes while keeping an ear open to the conversations. Juan and Hector seem relieved that they can stop taking notes and start jabbing each other repeatedly.
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Charles Rockledge · Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:19 pm Post subject:

@Juan,
Well, we're banking on Hunters thinking a gathering full of vampires counts as 'a damn good reason.'

@Victor
The one with the sword was the one we had on camera at the last gathering. Do you mean imune to supernatural coercion? Even by the blood? Perhaps. We can confirm or deny that once we've capturd a live on to try it on.

What do think would solve our problem?

Perhaps if coercion does work, and we do take all of them alive, we coerce the entire group? I agree that coercion or killing them would not solve our problem as they'd simply be replaced, though it might buy us some more time between now and when the new group gets here.

If coercion doesn't work, perhaps we can next fake a loss to trick them into thinking they've won? Gather in some place with secret sewer access let them blow it up with us presumably inside? The can report a mision accomplished to their base then keave the county in search of their next job.

...or...

@Darien,
Do you think Richard Levy would be willing and able to assemble a dossier on Ms Johnson that includes all the additional information I just asked about?

A longer term solution might be if we are able to sucessfully inlfilatrate the network outright. To the point where a team of our own ghouls end up being assigned as their Rockland County Team. We can then regularly feed misinformation back to them. Acces their resources too, for turning aside future supenatural threats to Rockland. They can even be reported in as actual victories to keep it looking like their team is successfully doing its job.

If we can find out who some of the people with the fancy codenames are, we can cross their paths with folks that would other wise have similar reasons to get in on the action with them. My Daughters parents for example were taken out by our kind too; though that's a bit too long term. Her past can be drafted onto one of my other daughters though. Emma has the memory of a kindred raping her and another coercing her into thinking it was her own fault. 'M' apparently has a past with Quin Armitage what contributed to why she is so severe all of the time. We can pool all these histories into a single manchurian? agent. One that's actuly ours but with every indication that s/he'd be theirs if only allowed to join up. Then s/he can recruit new members as the old ones 'die off'.

@Johan
Are they well informed enough to recognise kindred disciplines in ghouls? or is it at all likely or practical to think they'd mistake them for edge powers?
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Billy · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 197

*As Billy was going to kick the door down he notices Vince entering and stops himself.*

*to Hector*
yes that idea had come to mind, however with the big show at last month, where only one hunter showed up, my guess is that the hunters believed that last month was the trap, they sent only the one, whilst the other waited for shit to go down, when nothing happened to him it's a safe guess is that the hunters believe that we are incompetent, they may underestimate us and thus we can hold the trap again here.

all in all the where of the trap isn't too important, its the who, as long as he comes *points at Charles* the hunters will attack.

*to Vince*
Coercion!? Coercion implies the person still has free will to resist, i recall a vampire such as your self can Dominate their minds and this control the techie one, or maybe take over its body like that sabbat guy did last gathering. I also didn't say the techie disappears after it reports mission accomplished, as Darion pointed out a lot of us need more info on the world so it could be used and controlled.

Also should the hunter report mission accomplished, it's memories can be wiped or edited...i think that can work, thus it thinks that it all happened the way we want it to, so it will go back and do it's thing without knowing were all alive, and the hunter network will too. the story could be an epic one where they all went in destroyed the vampires and the techie was last man standing etc.

obviously breaches will have to stop after the deed is done, to not attract the hunter net again.

*to Charles*
Do not sell your self too short, as i recall you participated in the battle to defeat a very powerful Ductus of a sabbat pack that even Mac had problems with. Also when the bomb did go off, you stayed to defend and reduced the damage to the place, instead of one wing it could have been the whole place. Without you none of it would have happened, don't doubt yourself in times of combat.

As far as outside help, this is a hunter problem, asking the other factions for help will only show great incompetence on our parts. These enemies are mortal hunters, not supernaturals. Even the simple act of asking them for help will make us look weak, ya know if the anarchs can't handle hunters by themselfs they can't handle much can they, etc. That would be a severly bad political move.

Besides, we can handle them on our own...as Juan put it, they are squishy eh?

*to General Assembly*
I have given my idea on how to finish the hunters, it is the best i can produce, and until they are gone i have little care for the politics, the only thing is we should never bow to any outside force.

I have said all i need to say either accept it, reject it, edit it, or make a new plan, i will differ any plans to the wisdom of this council decides. considering i have had not nearly as much experience as the rest of you. Keep me in the loop once you decide what to do, i will assist as much as i can. Now i bid you all a good night.

*Billy exits via the elevator....(unless some other damn security problem arises)*
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V......... · Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:17 am Post subject: ..

if we use dominate then we might not only cover or tracks but use them as a sqaud weapon and try to insure anarch rule

Charles Rockledge · Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:30 pm Post subject:

*to Hector*
Similarly, they may underestimeate how seriously we are taking them as a threat. It could be that as a result of lastgathering they think we areignoring them in favor of settling our issues with the other sects first. The loss of a building apparently our base of operations not having phased us, conveys the impression we have 'better things on our mind to worry about, and so aren't focused; a situation they'd find well worth exploiting.

-Charles supresses his reaction over the techie being reffered to as 'it'.

It'll be dificult to stop the breeches when the sabbat are ever poised to create fresh ones. The best we could do is go back to ignoring them, ginning and bearing it, and maintaining cover. If we intend instead to teach them a lesson; we're going to have to account for the fact that a sect war wont be a quiet and unnoticable thing. It'd be better if we could work the situation so that instead of reporting them all dead once they finish with us; we use the techie longer term to report the results of our retaliation with the sabat as further successful actions of their own. They can be reported dead after an even more climactic battle with the bishop and those monstrously crafted things, and abysal darkness in the fight. etc.

Oh, yeah... I'd forgotten about that ductus...
Thankyou.
Hmmm. ...

Realy? I'd of thought if there was anything kindred of all walks of life could unite against successfully it'd be a hunter problem. They after all do threaten all kindred. They count as pretty supernatural too it would seem. Just because they aren't immortal; Garou aren't either. It would seem more a common issue to get the independents involved in than an anti-sabbat campaign would; as that's more an anarch specific problem the others might not feel an interst in participating in. It's a long term goal, tying to recnnect with all of our former aquantences and reestablish permanent cross-cultural buisness relationships and such.

You need to grapple them successfully to sqush them. Keep in mind this is potentially having to grapple through a nimbus of holy flame or what not. Lets not fall ourselves into the same trap we are hoping they are falling into; overconfidence and underestimation. This lot is still a very potent and dangerouse threat. Let's keep it in our minds when we face them, mortal or not, their powers exceed our own. That's why we are counting on numbers and surprise and tactics.

We should prepare for the possibility that their minds might be shielded well enough to thwart most dominate attempts. Perhaps Vinvint or Ulric, or a Mason will be poweful enough; but I myself was unable to successfully mind probe via telepathy another who was strong in faith. It took Aaron Cross ...or his brother, I forget which, to succeed. It might be so again, that most of us without age or an adaquate amount of nearness to the source of our power ((generation)), will find their minds strong and hard to penatrate. Johan himself said that the resolve of this hunter very difficult to break.

Cathching them and making them ours is a good plan A, but we should also have a contingency in place so that if it seems that plan is about to backfire, we still come out of this the winners. At least for a little while.
...And actually we do
-Charles indicates Allura.
We could try to have some NON=FLAMIBALE knockout gas of some kind, present, 'cunningly disguised', at the gathering; and lock the ventilation ducts to the pary hall closed. My ghouls could tape the door cracks when the sounds of battle begin. If things look like they are going against us, we can always atvleast try to take them down that way.

Perhaps there minds will be easier to penatrate unconscious. Depending on how focused they are on the fight, we can even have someone begin releasing the gas straight off. Someone in obfuscate from before they arive and all through the innitial moments of conflict until their attention is focused on the rest of us. Then break it only to open the canisters, or pop the baloons. ... I think balloons makes more sense. I could use the excuse of preparing the place for February's Groundhog Day Celebration...
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