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Father Noah · Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 82 Location: Poughkeepsie, NY

The entirety of rockland county's anarchy territory is a freehold, and if the bandeleros restrict movement through "their territory" between here amd there, they will have to be "reprimanded"
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Charles Rockledge · Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:06 pm Post subject:

FayeRowan · Joined: 31 Oct 2011 Posts: 194 Location: Poughkeepsie, NY

*Pops head in* "First person to suggest or support overlordship, I'm taking your Anarch card" *Pops head out*
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Charles Rockledge · Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:12 pm Post subject:

-Charles Rockledge reenters the room all smiles and good humor/cheer. He passes Rowan at the door
"hmmmm? What about overlordship?"
-charles reads over the stenograpghy.
"Oh."
-in his best OZ voice
"Pay no attention to the freudian slip; just antiquated nomenclature, that's all."

"Gangbosses, once upon a time, in rockland anyway, were called "Lords." Perhaps after old titles such as Lord-Mayor; what for the most part nowadays are called supervisor/comptroller, possibly Provost, etc. We used the classic lingo in Rockland up to about three years ago. It merley illistrates that the gang has administrative authority over their own territories as regards any issues local to that territory.

I happen to fancy the old lingo myself.
I understand many modern anarchs take the negetive social connotations to heart, but in my humble opinion, "Lord Cyrus" sounds so much more classy and romantic and such then "Minister Cyrus" or "Councilman Cyrus" or "Boss Cyrus" or whatnot. No?"
-sighs
"Perhaps its just because I'm a toreador."

"It doesn't matter what you call it though, at the end of the day the job is still the same."
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Alura · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 369

A rose by any other name would still smell just as sweet. That being said, there is a lot to be said for a name for those who do not know the circumstances. For example it would be foolish to name you Prince Charles. I mean it might confuse quite a few people, even though it would be comical.

Also I am right here, and clearly not that absent, I just prefer to show up when I'm needed. I suggest if we are to divide the territory in any way shape or form it should be done in pen and paper, with laws in place. Last time land was given out, it seemed like a bit of grab bag, and a bit of favorites. Let's also look at what is outside each of the areas. Figure out who wants what in a peaceful and fair system. We don't want any spats to happen over land and it's better when it's all agreed upon in black and white.

Charles Rockledge · Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:38 pm Post subject:

Indeed. Though the jobs are actually different between those two titles. Now 'Shepherd' Rockledge I could smile to.

with laws in place.
-raises my eyebrow.
"How unexpected."

Last time land was given out, it seemed like a bit of grab bag, and a bit of favorites.
Not really. There were only four quandrants and each bordered a different potential enemy. We picked our favorite foe or moved about some to accomodate newer anarchs.

Let's also look at what is outside each of the areas.
-smiles
"That would be the next area over."

What influences are in each area, what pros and cons to each piece of land and figure out who wants what in a peaceful and fair system.
Each gang is probably doing that already. Except the bandelleros who don't really care and just want blanket size.

We don't want any civil wars to happen over land,
Maybe 1. Though truly it wouldn't be about the land. It's the principal. Vincint thinks he can stand alone and declare "This is so" and actually have it be so, nevermind any ratification or cooperation. He's the one trying to impose his own will on the situation rather than follow the will of the people. We should start calling him Prince Vincint.

and I'm sure someone is going to want the same piece as another.
-shrugg
A bunch of us apparently have an itch for tuxedo-park/sterling forest. I'm not planning to make an issue of it however.
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Alura · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 369

Wasn't Vincent the one mad at Francois for being too 'prince-like'?

Surely you didn't just openly suggest you want a civil war. How about you're the Baron, take care of it and show him who's in charge! Tell him to sit down and shut it.

Charles Rockledge · Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:42 am Post subject:

Wasn't Vincent the one mad at Francois for being too 'prince-like'?
Yup! Ironic, isn't it.

Surely you didn't just openly suggest you want a civil war.
-shrugg
"Maybe not 'want'; but am willing to prosecute one if it comes to that.

How about you're the Baron, take care of it and show him who's in charge!
That would be them.
-charles extends his arm to encompass the crowd.

Tell him to sit down and shut it.
Allura. This is the gist of what happened on Sunday; and like japanamation, the scene could be drawn with us as kindergartners.:

Cyrus The Virus Caine · Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:44 am Post subject:

Cyrus would plant his back to a wall, his right boot sole soon following suit. Drawing his hood up over his newly tufted ears, He'd give a nod to Alura, who he'd just noticed, before re-focusing on the Baron. The fact that the Baron voice that people should think more like him drew a low chuckle from the gangrel, but he was right. All of them were supposed to work together, not try and "get theirs" at the expense of the rest of the community. The vampires here were not Camarilla. They weren't supposed to be fucking eachother over for dirt and a percentage. maybe this meeting will finally set some shit straight. Cyrus had seen what the Bandaleros in Cali did to their "turf" He sure as hell wasn't going to let that happen here.
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Ulrich Bardonia · Admin Joined: 02 Apr 2010 Posts: 108

Realistically, cities are the places where you go when you need to get certain things done. If some gang is going to claim a certain city and I need to get things done, sorry, but I'm not going to go tell that gang I am going to go get things done. I assume most other vampires will feel the same and this is why I think having the cities as freeholds makes more sense. I heard that some gangs want certain strategic locations within cities, and this seems to make sense to me, but to claim and try to hold a whole city seems a poor idea.
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Father Noah · Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 82 Location: Poughkeepsie, NY

If we are dead set on making the cities of orange county freeholds, then the area the blood hounds will be focusing on is the northeastern corner of the county.
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Cyrus The Virus Caine · Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:36 am Post subject:

Cyrus would pick his head up as Nickolai spoke, doing his best to not let his hood fall. He'd roll his shoulders as if he couldn't get comfortable, clearing his throat before speaking. "Don't forget Nickolai, we are staking claim to the OCMC, assuming no one has a problem with that. Granted, even if they do, I'll most likely still stake the claim." A smirk was given to show that he was only half serious, drawing what little amusement he could from the political manouvring.
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Ulrich Bardonia · Admin Joined: 02 Apr 2010 Posts: 108

I don't get it, has everyone forgotten that you can claim to hold the whole world if you want to, but it doesn't mean shit unless your claim goes uncontested. Right now part of the territory I claim is part of the Bandeleros claim. That means that right now neither of us hold Highlands. That is the entire point of sitting down at a table and negotiating. If the Bandeleros do not relinquish their claim on the territory and the Knights don't either, then our gangs will end up at war. Obviously we will attempt negotiations before outright declaring war. Remember that all of this is a process that has just begun and the Bandeleros claim is not valid unless no one contests it. Be calm, be collected, maintain your dignity and pride, and most of all never forget that we are Rockland ... umm... I mean Hudson Valley anarchs. This is going to take some getting used to.
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Charles Rockledge · Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:40 pm Post subject:

@Nickoli
Just to clarify the term freehold, it means not only that anyone can feed there, but that any anarch regardless of gang affiliation may obtain havens and holdings, influences, etc. without needing the consent of hospitality from any presiding gang and without haveing to offer any tribute for the privilage.

For example, If I wanted to build or buy a music studio in your territory, you'd have the right to tell me no, or to ask for something in exchange, presumably equal or greater value to you. If I wanted to build or buy a music studio in a freehold, I can just do it, no hassle. This allows everyone to have some income and influence streams beyond the borders of their own territories and also spanning a greater range of area.

Similarly, if I invite a friend of mine to visit a nightclub I own in a freehold, I don't neccesarily need anyone elses grant of hospitality to do so. If my nightclub is in your territory, you have the right to deny hospitality to one of my friends and even to declare destruction. I bring this up becaue as a toreador, not all of my firends and acquantences are Anarchs. Some gangs might be uncomfortable with non-anarhs poping into their territories. In fact, I and my own gang might be uncomfortable with non-anarch poping into our own territory.

A freehold space provides us a controlled environment to recieve outside visitors that we don't otherwise want running about the entire county. If informed their welcome to run about the hospitality-free zone only, it helps to minimize the security risks.

@Ulric:
I don't think anyone has actually contested their claim on it (med-center). I'm certainly not planning to.
re: bandelleros, I'm gonna export a trascript of a piece of conversation I had earlier with my gangboss.

V......... · Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:12 pm Post subject: hey

THE FALLEN will be makeing claims as well. we all need to have a sit down on territory