Under The Rock

Eric · Joined: 30 Mar 2010 Posts: 255

(IC - the events transpiring here will NOT take place until actual upcoming game time as the mandibles of communication tend to get hairy during online forum vs person to person speech. Just so there is no confusion, ideals here are definite subject to change. IE: these conversations will not occur until about a day before or during the game-on day.)

:Eric sends texts, e-mails, flyers, snail-mails, any means of contacting those currently in a gang, not in a gang; any anarch with half a brain and body to show up in warehouse-a to discuss gang related activities. There is a long, dirty, beaten up wooden conference table with old random chairs and seating arrangements around it and a few card tables set up near it sporting refreshments. The table has maps and other papers of the city, including newspapers sprawled to one side near Eric's seat, as well as fresh sheets of paper and pens, dimly illuminated by a single overhead light, as well as a brighter one lighting the table and one more occasionally flickering near the card tables:

:He awaits for his assembly to arrive and takes the floor:

"Those of you who are present this evening are a delegate of a gang or seeking active participation to be in one. We feel that it is in the best interests of everyone here that the representatives refrain from any violent tendencies or use of vampire powers tonight. I see some new faces and familiar ones. I would like to start by saying that there is a reason(s) we have gathered to mainly discuss the possibility of a gang merger(s), or full merging, recruitment, or council meet and greet while retaining the status of these gangs."

:He clears his throat:

"As an Enforcer of the Custodians, (and recently appointed gang leader) I am not at all opposed to the idea of setting up a merger of select gangs and it's members or simply setting up a council meeting where gang leaders can discuss business, economics, war, etc, etc. Does anyone have anything they would like to say on this behalf?"
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OOC - Albert R. (Al)
Enforcer to the Custodians
Elder Brujah of the East Coast
Baron of Rockland and Orange County

wiggs · Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:05 pm Post subject:

wiggs walks in and sits down lazily... "Okay... One of the knights are here old man...." Wiggs lites a cigarette. "so whats this about exactly?" He lifts his hat as eyebrow is raised...
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WilliamJamesBardonia · Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:16 pm Post subject:

William James Bardonia appeared from the shadows of the Warehouse. The somber emotionless businessman respectfully took a seat at the old conference table. He remain silent for a brief while before bringing his hands together and took a moment to astutely study the two other men in the room before pale and gray hands motioned to fix the position of his own crimson red tie.

After the small exchanges were given and the words were spoken, the Businessman spoke in a dull, calm tone "I am here to represent the interests of those who are not affiliated within a gang. Those who mostly are brushed aside or placed in the middle of politics and conflicts that are sparked by gangs with our Anarchy. Anything that can happen tonight might effect them as well, if such is the case I am here to assure that they have a voice in the matter..." Was all the Bardonian had to say.
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Eric · Joined: 30 Mar 2010 Posts: 255

With the amount of activity of infernalism going on as of late, a gang merger with some of the smaller number of individuals should be the probable choice. Thereby placing those of the less capable caliber in a more reinforced state. How many people here can successfully go toe to toe with an infernalist? How bout a hunter? A mage? Or mayhap even a demon? While I can speak for myself; not too many. A gang offers a solid state of security, whether it's warfare or intelligence, recon or seek and destroy, being in a gang will probably improve your survival rate in these times by 44%, up from say 10%. Maybe more. ESP. those who are recruited.
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"Grrr...we're warriors, Kakarot. Not ballerinas!" - Vegeta to Goku in hell; before fusion dance.

OOC - Albert R. (Al)
Enforcer to the Custodians
Elder Brujah of the East Coast
Baron of Rockland and Orange County

wiggs · Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:58 pm Post subject:

"Well that is true... But what about arming our self... every thing helps... though but yeah i agree on the whole merging of gangs..."
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"Just your friendly neighborhood vampire"
or
"Life is party...It's over when last beer drop is dranked"
or even
"Dying sucks... I don't recommend it..."-Wiggs

Charles Rockledge · Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:44 pm Post subject:

Charles arrives at the warehouse.
"I'll represent the council of the rose until we successfully rescue Allura."

@wiggs.
Have Amy/Jade get in touch with me about the details of your arms project. If you need another secure warehouse in nyak for it, I can arrange that. You might also want to speak to the fallen angels leader. He's got construction plans too that might be integratable.

@William.
Technically, no should be truly unaffiliated. After about the first quarter of residence in this county, one should be familiar enough with the nature of the currently existing gangs to determine either which one best suits their own nature or else to make a go of starting their own gang.

For one thing, those without a gang have no cabinet representetive to carry their voice into major county kindred politicing. Indiciduals can always complain or suggest things to me directly; however the point of the cabinet was for representetives to be familiar with the needs, wants and desires of their constituency and to vote accordingly when appropriate matters of county policy come up during cabinet meetings.

@Eric, can you be more specific as to what you mean by a 'merger?
When did Billy step down as gang leader? I hadn't heard that bit of news. Is he still present? I've not seen him about as of late.
As far as I am aware, without Billy, are you down to only two members of the custodians? Two different kinds of members.
If you do not want to make a go of recruiting some more into the custodians, then it would seem to me you are a better fit for the Knights or the fallen, while Tenna is a better fit for the council. ...or perhaps the harlequins... Indeed, I've offered her council membership already if your gang were to decide to disovle or defunct.

The main trouble with that is that if you do disband into other gangs AND the bandellerros are also all dead or so (except perhaps for vincint?), then we are once again two territories short on protection for those townships. That's going to get the other sects sniffing about again for an opening. Especially considering all the 'help' they are 'giving' us latley.

We are either going to need to reorganise the barony again; adding to and or shifting about, the territories of the currently existing gangs, or we are going to have to set up one or more new gangs.
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Eric · Joined: 30 Mar 2010 Posts: 255

:Eric places his arms firmly on the table and crosses his hands in a 'prayer' motion. There is a serious look on his face."

"Charles, you make a good point. I would surely make a better enforcer for the fallen angels while Tenna would be a better fit for the council with her influences. But allow me to shed some light on this merger..."

:He brings the folded hands towards his face, just under his chin:

"Not some time ago, I spoke with Simon on an idea he had conjured about merging one gang, like the custodians, to another gang; like the fallen angels. Thereby, sharing the same territories, influences, resources, equipment, firearms...you get the picture. But more importantly, the roster would increase in size and strength. This would also encourage and/or eliminate the need for recruitment. As you stated earlier, the custodians now stand at 2 members."

"This brings us to Bill. Bill announced his 'resignation' from the gang as he had some business to attend down south in PA. He appointed me gang leader and we even spoke briefly about the idea Simon had and was all for it. You also mentioned about possibly disbanding a gang and splitting up members to another gang. I'm not opposed to that idea either. In fact, I would encourage anyone else here now if they would speak their mind about possibly having a gang merger, or having the previous members of a disbanded gang split off into other gangs, or if anyone has any other possibilities to bring to the table."

:He brings the hands closer to his face:

"Anyone?? We should vote."
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"Grrr...we're warriors, Kakarot. Not ballerinas!" - Vegeta to Goku in hell; before fusion dance.

OOC - Albert R. (Al)
Enforcer to the Custodians
Elder Brujah of the East Coast
Baron of Rockland and Orange County

wiggs · Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:52 pm Post subject:

"Well i been gone last few months trying to build up the harlequins mortal numbers. Just need some serious cash and there loyalty will be bought as for construction i talk to ulric already. It all going to plan. Just taking a while to grow is all."
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"Just your friendly neighborhood vampire"
or
"Life is party...It's over when last beer drop is dranked"
or even
"Dying sucks... I don't recommend it..."-Wiggs

V......... · Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:11 pm Post subject: monks

(note this entrance is subject to change once i get a full reply from glenn on if my entrance is ok)

:: 7 brown robed hood figure enter in single line huming and soft chatig, mainly chatholic prayers,they surround the group and bow:

:: another brown robed figure walks in carrying half a stone cross on his back and saying soft bless of thanks to god and his holy light, then sits at a empty table::

::turns to those robed figures that are bowing:
thank you, you may go. go home in peace and may god grant you strength.
thank you for your help and for your faith

::the robed figures leave::

:: the figure sitting down removes his hood::

::it is simmon except for tears of blood sained on his face::

::looks at eric and smiles:
the merger invite was only for the 3 of you guys . i felt you could give me insite and i could give clarity
well i didnt know the merger idea would be so big and envolved, this is good and bad, but its ok for now

looks at wiggs and charles.....10 min in and already you to are stearing this conversation for what you want for yourselves..and for what you owe others and yet if someone came to you for smthing big you would be even more selfish and try to sqeeze as much as you can outa it.. but again i shouldnt be surprised, i looked into your souls long ago and say good people , just people that dont know what tue unity is..

::shakes head:: well i knew you too would do that so i shouldnt be surprised

if we do this merger thei will be no personal goals that over shadow what needs to be done. guns will not harm infernals and demons that way this does:: pulls out a small bottle of water and a squirt gun. armor is needed but a gun factory does not produce armor :: looks at wiggs::

hoggin the infleuncefor only what you want and what you think is best can only fix some of whats going on ::looks at charles::

so on the battle field i will be spear headig it, alot of you go many different ways and we failed to do all thats needed last month, we listen to lieing sabbat and even more so memeber of the same blood listen them on a mutation as fact when its just their point of veiw. again this is wrong to do but we are all strong minded people

we look to kill our own and leave them to die by torment instead of doing whats good and fixing it, and haveing them die isnt fixing it .if we do this then we need to group our knowlege and powers and abilies together and stop saying if i do this hat do i get and then try to sqeeze more outa people

::pause and breaths,looks around to make sure everyone is paying attention::

charles you speak pure sometimes and then in private you evil come to light. you know what im talking about::stares at charles::
your words to me i private hav been way to harsh and evil and selfish and narrow minded because of what you want.. you sires mad at me for dissgreeing with you, but if i told him what you said, he be more angry with you. maybe even punish you, but i wont . steven doesnt need to know what evil is in your heart he probly will hate me for keeping it from him... i dont care.

i feel tired so tired

the funny thing is the elders talk down to me cuz even thow their elders i know the years they came from , i have seen what they seen and been a soldier for them as the years past. well not these elders but older ones, these elders are just grumpy cuz i have ignored them and stayed away for a long time, in my age i ahev thought about this and relized i was wrong in my youth and need to shit or get off the pot so to speak.

we need alot and the list i have made maybe to big for een use as a whole..but why shold i even say whats on it since their is no whole, their you and me and you and them and that guy and that girl.. we are seperated by the fact that even me and everyone is to selfish.

i do hope we can start b teaching each other freely we need to teach knowlege and skills and powers, not hold them tight like the cam.theone thing the sabbat have taught me threw the years is their family attitude even if they eat each other, they teach eachother freely with in their group to strengthen themselves.. i evy that i trully do.

i might be a sinner since i have been embrace , hav lost my true faith and most of my special powers but now i feel is the time not forget the past ad not dewll on it.
i will reframe from rabbleing on until i get some input. perferably not snipeing or getting pissy because my words hurt you, take it as maybe, just maybe theirs truth to them

William johns · Joined: 23 Mar 2010 Posts: 38

From outside you hear a car pull up to the entrance (if anybodys looking outside you see this car

http://www.roadandtrack.com/var/ezflow_site/storage_RT_NEW/storage/images/tests/impressions/2011-rolls-royce-ghost/1580940-2-eng-US/2011-rolls-royce-ghost.jpg

pull up to the entrance) you hear a car door open and close and a voice say

" thanks i will call you when im ready to leave"

you then hear another door open and close and then the sound of a car driving off.
In enters william johns wearing his usual crafts 5 suit with the jacket that always seems a little bulkier than it shuold

"Hello everybody long time no see I heard there was a meeting happening here and I figured I definatly couldn't let wiggs be the only person be here to represent the nights."

He politely nods to everybody and takes a seat next to wiggs.

Eric · Joined: 30 Mar 2010 Posts: 255

:Eric spreads his hands apart from each but keeps the 'prayer' lock firmly in place to the original spot:

"It appears that there may have been some wrong direction with this ideology and I apologize if this is being shown in the wrong light. However, we are vampires. That being said, we're capable of selfish, condescending, if not evil ways. It's just our nature. Survival of the fittest. Top of the food chain. I want what my neighbor has so I might as well kill him to obtain it. And who or what would stop me in that instance? I'm not applying this scenario here or anywhere really in my case and/or life experience, but I am very capable of it."

:He pauses:

"But lets not get off track. The idea was presented in a public forum because we as anarachs are entitled to uphold the status of defending your fellow anarch in need, in order to exalt the freedoms we so often take for granted. If my power is to fight for the cause of anarchy through gang warfare and organization, then so be it. Let anyone who is my gang-mate and who is anarch fight on the same grounds we so vigorously defend our freedoms for; be it even through petty politics."

"I see that a lot of insights and opinions on this matter have been mentioned and addressed tonite, but we need to be on the same page if we're going to approach this constructively. I'd like for everyone to just take a moment, calm down, and voice their thoughts without pointing fingers."
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"Grrr...we're warriors, Kakarot. Not ballerinas!" - Vegeta to Goku in hell; before fusion dance.

OOC - Albert R. (Al)
Enforcer to the Custodians
Elder Brujah of the East Coast
Baron of Rockland and Orange County

William johns · Joined: 23 Mar 2010 Posts: 38

I'm a little confused when you say you want gangs to merge do you mean that bolth gangs get equal access to each others territorys resorces and influences, or that they just help each other out when needed?

V......... · Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:07 pm Post subject: ..

forgive my feeling, i have had a stress full few days, but i do have faith to help
::touchs the water::

this is not normal, this is holy, and well since wiggs wants guns so bad i brought some water guns to use it in.. next battle we burn their faces off

i also have gas cans with a few extra added to make it nice, ut their immune to fire. but it can clear areas out. and a few other things but tose are defensive when we need them

Charles Rockledge · Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: monks

The situation at present leaves us with one gang with two people; typically three are requied minimum for a gang. We also have two or three currently unaffiliated new anarchs in the community. The choices before us all are as follows:
1. The custodians remain, but one or more of the unaffiliated need to join.
2. The custodians merge, either with the fallen, the knights, or the rose into one gang; one or more of the unaffiliated may also join this gang.
3. The custodians disband, Eric and Tenna go to seperate gangs, possibly including the harlequins, hillbillies, and bandelleros, the unaffiliated also pick from these gangs.
4. The custodians disband; one or more of the unaffiliated start a new gang, and Eric and or Tenna join it, to provide the 'senior backing in terms of strenght, influence and resources to get them started on their way.
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"My Girls is clean and kind spirited".
"If you hurt them, I am going to kill you slowly."
-Insert humanity check.

Charles Rockledge · Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:08 pm Post subject:

OOC: If you are just comming in now, you technicaly don't know what I've been saying for the last 10 minutes...
looks at wiggs and charles....and for what you owe others
Be specific: what have I said just now to Eric, William, Wiggs that has anything to do with 'what I want for myself, or who I owe anything to?
You know, it's becoming a wee bit irksome actually, the way you keep challenging my integrity.

and yet if someone came to you for smthing big you would be even more selfish and try to sqeeze as much as you can outa it.
Are you kidding?!? Three or four people have come to me with 'big stuff' in recent months and I believe I have clearly demonstrated a willingness to go out of my way to accomade with very little personal gain involved. If you are going to begrudge me 'very little' as opposed to none at all, well, not everyone can be a saint. You're filling that role it seems.

but again i shouldnt be surprised, i looked into your souls long ago and say good people , just people that dont know what tue unity is..
-raises eyebrow "Re-e-a-aly".

if we do this merger thei will be no personal goals that over shadow what needs to be done.... :: looks at wiggs::
Who's we? It has yet to be decided exactly what is going to happen. Suppose 'we', or they, decide not to do this merger; on account of it not meeting everyone needs.

This issue isn't one that is specific to the current incident with demons and infernalists, but one that represents a permanent modification to the structure of this county. Similarly, the Harlequin arms factory is not a reaction specifically to this incident with demons and infernalists. Bullets may not harm them, but they do harm certain mortal hunters, or garou with the right ammo under the right circumstances, or famorie to a degree. It is a project of comunal value on the one hand and on the other has no bearing whatsoever on the discussion topic of gang mergers; anymore than demons do.

hoggin the infleuncefor only what you want and what you think is best can only fix some of whats going on ::looks at charles::
Influence doesn't seem to have a bearing on this topic either. I'm not sure why you are bringing it up. Haven't we already agree what we are fixing with influence?

so on the battle field i will be spear headig it,
pfft. Open a different meeting to discuss who is leading whom into battle. That's another tangent unrelated to this issue, and I can't believe you'd think it'd be so easy as to just declare "I'll be leading the battle", and have it be so. Get yourself a consensus before stating such things, or you'll likely find yourself barking orders into thin air while everyone else is going about their own buisness.

alot of you go many different ways and we failed to do all thats needed last month
Yes. independent combat has been a problem for years. I'd rally like us to use team combat/phalanx strategies.
OOC: There was an issue of whether 3 on one combat can involve each player thowing a diffenernt chop at the same time.

, we listen to lieing sabbat and even more so memeber of the same blood listen them on a mutation as fact when its just their point of veiw. again this is wrong to do but we are all strong minded people
Do mean we listened to them over the camarillan Brujah elder, whose opinion by the by is also not neccesarily fact. I don't think we do, we listen to everything available to hear then make a decision for ourselves.

we look to kill our own and leave them to die by torment instead of doing whats good and fixing it, and haveing them die isnt fixing it .
If you want to argue that texas is no good because they excecute a lot of texan criminals, or that new york is no good bcause we execute not as much as texas, new yorker criminals, than that is also matter of opinion. Right to lifers argue all life is sacred no matter how 'bad', while conservatives argue that removing the 'bad' element keeps the rest of the community safe from future threats by these people, as well as deters others from doing the same kinds of crimes. Again, though this discussion is a seperate one from the issue of gang mergers. We just had this discussion in the bar. I'll be glad to go back there and discuss it further, but lets not stray off topic here. Merger is an imortant issue in its own right.

if we do this then we need to group our knowlege and powers and abilies together and stop saying if i do this hat do i get and then try to sqeeze more outa people
I'm not sure why you think people are trying to get more out of each other than tit for tat. Do you feel anyone has denied anything to anyone else because they couldn't pay the right price for it? I think we've been fair trading our skills quite reasonably in these parts. This in interesting question in and of itself too, and I agree anarchs should be at least partially homogonised when it comes to field applicable aptitudes. That's all anarchs though, not just anarchs withign each gang. however large and diverse enough gangs teaching eachother internally would lead to the community as whole knowing what it needs to know.

charles you speak pure sometimes and then in private you evil come to light. you know what im talking about::stares at charles::
not really. I say the same things in private as I do in public. In fact, I can't have seperate private agendas because I fancy telepathic coordination which gives almost everyone at times access to my mind.

your words to me i private hav been way to harsh and evil and selfish and narrow minded because of what you want..
No. They have been harsh, I agree, but no more evil than your average kine rebublican; nor are they selfish. For what I want is to build the Bardonia Barony of Rockland County into a strong anarch Freestate. As strong as it ever was before if not stronger. Strong enough to stand successfully steadfast in the face of our enemies.

you sires mad at me for dissgreeing with you,
-waves it off
'that's just his way. He's mad at me when we disagree too.

but if i told him what you said, he be more angry with you. maybe even punish you, but i wont . steven doesnt need to know what evil is in your heart he probly will hate me for keeping it from him... i dont care.
Dude. If you think my sire is not already intimatly aware of my every political position, strings of thoughts and arguments etc... He's the enforcer of our gang. These lengthy discussions on policy and economics we've having these past weeks have going on for years between Allura and myself and others, with the rock most usually present for them all. Simialry, I don't recall saying anything to you in private that I didn't repeat in some fashion or another at the bar for all to hear, especially after lilly joined us.

i feel tired so tired
Yes. I can tell. Your not partitioning your time properly and so are being overwhelmed. You need to not be thinking of every problem at the same time, and only face one problem at a time. For example, lets focus now on the issue at hand tonight; what should become of the custodians?
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"My Girls is clean and kind spirited".
"If you hurt them, I am going to kill you slowly."
-Insert humanity check.