Under The Rock

Eric · Joined: 30 Mar 2010 Posts: 255

"Gentlemen! Ladies! Lentlemen, Please! If we can have a proper discussion on who does what, how do we expect to function as gang members??"

:Looks to Bardonia who rolled up in flashy car:

"I will consider joining any gang so long as I can remain chief enforcer, or have a partner enforcer. The fallen angels does sound like the obvious choice for myself. I can't speak for Tenna but she's a big girl; she can do whatever sparks her best interests. That's option one."

:He quickly gets up while putting his hands behind his back after removing his shades and begins pacing the room:

"Option 2 would be to have someone from the fallen angels join the custodians and/or recruit someone here and now that isn't Bruja. No offense. Too many Bruja in a gang can feel more like a clan meet and greet and not much would get done, except if it was a rant. In which case, I'd say the conundrum level of efficiency would rise about 23%. Kindly take no offense. While recruitment is hardly the subject matter of this meeting, at least we can consider the choices should some one speak on this behalf."

:He removes his coat, puts it on the chair and removes the heavy pistols from the holsters while placing them on the table, as a thud is heard from each, followed by a setting down and scattering of bullets not appearing to be of normal distinct look or caliber:

"Then there's option 3. I disband the custodians and Tenna and I go our separate ways. She does her own thing and I do mine and perhaps somewhere down the road I become an enforcer again. Or a higher up. Or a Don. Or a bookie, I don't fucking know. It seems to me like this meeting is more about the decision making changes to the custodians and the fallen angels then anything else, amirite?"

:He rolls up his sleeves and lights a cigar; takes a deep drag and exhales:

"Now should a successful merger occur, whether it's between the fallen angels and the custodians or whomever, the premises on that I feel would be as follows: the roster would change, albeit an increase in number, the overall resources (if any) would naturally be put into the best interests of the gang growth and consumption, weapons would be supplied and distributed to gang enforcers, bodyguards, etc. which brings us to the territories."

:He takes another long drag and it is a few moments before the smoke is visible. Another short one is followed before Eric opens his mouth again:

"Territories have always been the shaky part of this whole operation. to my knowledge its why the gangs have been formed in the first place, no? For what I gather, the territory should be relieved of occupancy should I disband the gang. Should I Not disband the gang and have a successful merger, then I feel it would be in the best interests of those merged to share the territories. That way, we're not faced with any unnecessary opposition from say Sabot or Cam."

"Still, in light of a merge, I feel it should be up to the gang mates really. Someone should hold responsibility as leader. Someone else gets to take care of political findings. Somebody handles navigation. Someone who's good at arms dealing and supplying deals with weapons. Someone takes care of the blood bank. Someone hold out the pot to for everyone else to piss in. Point is, everyone's good at something. But not everyone can be good at everything."

:Eric resumes his seating arrangement, taking inhales every so often and stares blankly at the gathered mass of vampires:
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OOC - Albert R. (Al)
Enforcer to the Custodians
Elder Brujah of the East Coast
Baron of Rockland and Orange County

William johns · Joined: 23 Mar 2010 Posts: 38

If I may interject why are we choosing for these gangs wheather they can merge or not. This to me sounds like somthing that should be discussed between the fallen angels and the custodians not all the anarchs in the freehold. If they bolth feel that there numbers are thining and they want to merge that's there problem not ours.

wiggs · Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:34 pm Post subject:

wiggs stays quiet as he raises his hat to Amy... He doesn't however look Jade in the eye.... He waits until the time is right...
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Eric · Joined: 30 Mar 2010 Posts: 255

:While looking a Johns: "Because they seek recruits, to answer your interjection. The non gang affiliated anarchs could certainly benefit by joining the custodians or the fallen angels. Hell, they could all band together tonite and come up with a new gang the hairdressers for all I know."

:He returns his gaze to the mass:

"The purpose of this meet was also to see if someone on board with the idea of the gang affairs would be up to the idea of joining one."
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Enforcer to the Custodians
Elder Brujah of the East Coast
Baron of Rockland and Orange County

wiggs · Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:01 pm Post subject:

"Well i dont speak for all of us knights... But... I think ulric won't mind... You joining the knights... I mean well have to see... Cause I say yay and William said nay... So we just have to wait what ulric says... " wiggs shuts up after word.
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William johns · Joined: 23 Mar 2010 Posts: 38

Wow thanks for putting words in my mouth wiggs.

I never said I was against anybody joining the nights if he wants to try to join the nights that's fine by me. He can't be the enforcer though

wiggs · Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:39 am Post subject:

" Your welcome william" Wiggs smiles maliciously..."okay then William... I think it is almost settled. Let see what ulric says and of you want in the knights we can arrange that...That is if he says yes"
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Charles Rockledge · Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:56 am Post subject:

V......... · Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:08 pm Post subject: ..

::sighs and rubs eyesto cla out the dried blood::

i new his would go this way, no matter who does what only somethings are open to the mass to choose and somthingare th choose ofthe gangs in qeustion..

wiggs can we stop stearing thi to you personal goals. or at least pick a goal that helps everyone not you.

at least charles hass expaded hi veiws to how everyone can be help your still being selfish, and i glad your helping the harliquins but you haveing everyone else paying off you debt

Charles Rockledge · Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:09 pm Post subject: Re: ..

new his would go this way, no matter who does what only somethings are open to the mass to choose and somthingare th choose ofthe gangs in qeustion..
-in his best cokney accent
"now you're gettin' it."
-inserts a big arsed grin

wiggs can we stop stearing thi to you personal goals. or at least pick a goal that helps everyone not you.
-sighs
It's also getting irksome your constantly insisting everyones suggestions are personal goals that aren't helpful. How is whether or not Eric wants to be Knight a personal goal of Wiggs? Why would it be unhelpful to everyone if ..., well never mind that actually...; who's going where, is exactly what this meeting was all about. It's the on-topic discussion point of the evening.

You're acting like it's an inconvienient interuption or tangent in the middle of some other converstation. That's what you're doing; and I've been eneabling you; darn my enthusiasm. If you want to talk anti-demon tactical manuvers and what not, I suggest you schedual your own meeting for tomorrow night, let everyone know ahead of time that is the topic we'll be discussing, and then have at it. For this, Erics meeting, we are here to discuss whether other people will be joining the custodians or if the custodians will be joining other people.

It's not selfishness or individual goal orientation that makes the issue important. It IS a county security isssue. It counts as a tacticle defence decision whether we decide to have more gangs with fewer anarchs in each one, or fewer gangs with more anarchs in each one. There are pro's and cons to be considered in either choice. The bottom line is that a gang with three to five people can't protect a territory as well as a gang with five to nine people can. Larger gangs are also more diverse and so more readily able to participate in homoginising battle techninques. The bottom line also is that without a gang in control of each township, the cam and sabbat, and perhaps giovanii and setites, are all gonna start wondering again if there is now some slices of pie open for them to get at. We need to end up strong enough at the end of the day, after the fighting is all over and done with, to be able to insist, that no there is no available pie.

So, which set of pros outweigh which set of cons? Is it possible to find a happy medium between the two? Can we have fewer gangs with more members and more diversity, and also have every township protected? Should we do this by having each gang control two townships, or by declaring that all gangs equally protect a freehold if and when an enemy penetrates beyond a gangs territory? What other ideas solutions might there be beside these to consider?

Such is tonights discussion topic Mr. Simon.
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V......... · Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:25 pm Post subject: ..

eqaully, you say, from the moment you forced the fallen to protect the battle line against the sabbat and the fake promises you all made , tells me thats bullshit. and yes you and wiggs started out beig selfish, and you stoped, all i ask is that he stops. i understand what eric wants and he nice enough to ask the mass's for advice but odnt forget oh voted in barron a few things you and some others say only have importance if the people involved say it does. your pompus and blind. and if you keep it up i will talk to steven about what we talked about, dont push me... i will push back..

hmm sorry eric your the only one i feel bad for interupting and being pompus myself towards..

charles by the time you wanna step it up and do whats needed it could be too late. you have a thing about dragging your feet on issues but i guess te closer you get to the ivory soul sucking fakes the more one becomes like them.. you dont wanna hear wh i have to say on the infernals then fine, you don want my help with the item iv collected ..then fine.. and if you ever try to eat my sul again.. ill kill you. with out a second thought. to eat a soul and for you to be so ok with it, urks me deep within.. and dont deny or try to say other wise, we both know what blackness is in your soul.. once and awhile i see a sabbat within you, trully saddning

V......... · Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:55 pm Post subject: ..

dont play, you talked to me twice on if alura died you would e gang leader and how you wanted her outa the picture. your own sire put you in yor place but even after that you wanted tobe the leader and her gone. you say its the beast , but its your nature, i see it, i know it. no until i talke reason in to yu and made you relize how wrong your words were that you took them back nd acklwoeged it,, lie to them. dont lie to me

wiggs · Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:37 pm Post subject:

"Well no offense Simon... But with all that humanity... i dont see it being put to much use... Just saying..." Wiggs shrugs...
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or
"Life is party...It's over when last beer drop is dranked"
or even
"Dying sucks... I don't recommend it..."-Wiggs

V......... · Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:41 pm Post subject: ..

being around you people and the monsteris things you do i have lost some, and have threw getting a few items have put more strain on that, but i plan on making sure i get it back, threw charles humanity i am amazed he till has as much as he does, i am allowed to be pissed and defend myself to the extreme if that happens again, it is my right

Charles Rockledge · Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:51 pm Post subject: Re: ..

eqaully, you say,
Yes. I say equally. I mean it too.

from the moment you forced the fallen to protect the battle line against the sabbat
Did we now? As I recall, an offer was discussed... by you, and accepted by us, to swap territories to put you along haruman state park instead. You lot decided it wasn't neccesary and that you could handle it. You've done alright too. You weren't wrong.

and the fake promises you all made
Name them.
I've kept my end anyway. Been teachin' your nos Auspex with Presence next in the queue.

and yes you and wiggs started out beig selfish, and you stoped, all i ask is that he stops.
The first things I said was that wiggs should talk to me about the state of affairs concerning the arms factory, that the unaffiliated should join or form a gang(s); and could eric specify what he meant by merger; was he and Tenna sticking together or going their seperate ways, and who/which gang will be in charge of their township. None of that is sefish. At least I don't think it's selfish.

The first thing wiggs did was ...um ... poke?, no... what's that word, celebreties do it a lot on ... PLUG, that's it, plug...
the arms factory. I'll agree that like the other topics brought up, its an issue for a different evenings discussion, but i'll lsay again, it's not 'the wiggs arms factory'. These days we have to all go out of way to obtain fresh arms usually tying up influence to do so, or waiting for things to be imported from elsewhere. In 'the old days' if you needed to lock and load, you filed an order with Rayne and that was that, fast and quick. It's not a selfish desire to want to return the county to a state where we can have access to weapons without having to wait for import time or invest influences that could be better spent in other areas.

your pompus and blind. and if you keep it up i will talk to steven about what we talked about, dont push me... i will push back..
Now you are being silly and foolish. My sire can enter my mind whenever he damn well pleases, and indeed given he is not the sort of man patient enough to sit through a 20 minute long exposition, I often deliever my reports just so. I don't know what you think we talked about that he'd be more disaproving of than usual, but I'd lay odds its something he already knows about and either has agreed with me, or slapped me around for it.

charles by the time you wanna step it up and do whats needed it could be too late.
I wish people would stop saying such things to me.
Especially when they say it in practically the same breath as statements like:
"Oh elected baron, nothing you say matters unless everyone agrees it does."
Make up your mind.
Either I can't "do what's needed" until everyone decides first what that is, and then tells me so I can do it; or else are you agreeing that the Baron's position should have authority enough to "do what's needed" and be trusted that it is so?

you have a thing about dragging your feet on issues
Just as long as takes to coalate everyones imput.

but i guess te closer you get to the ivory soul sucking fakes the more one becomes like them..
or vice-versa. Reformer, remember.

you dont wanna hear wh i have to say on the infernals then fine,
I just don't want you make it seem like every other important issue on the table is actually meaningless drivel motivated by greed and what not.
The infernals are a big problem, but they aren't the only problem.
One must focus on one problem at a time, but never focus on one problem to the exclusion of all others, or those others will sneak in and destroy you. Time must be allocated to each problem, so progress is made on every front.

you don want my help with the item iv collected ..then fine..
The holy water?

and if you ever try to eat my sul again.. ill kill you. with out a second thought. to eat a soul and for you to be so ok with it, urks me deep within.. and dont deny or try to say other wise, we both know what blackness is in your soul.. once and awhile i see a sabbat within you, trully saddning

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-Charles jumps up from his seat
his usual calm and cheerful veneer gone in an instant.[/b]
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