Under The Rock

Billy · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 197

*OOC to set up scene, end of game...continuation of it*

So anyone want to comment on what just happened with the sabbats?
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wiggs · Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 4:30 pm Post subject:

Wiggs shrugs "Idk... man... The sabbat kinda got up and left I guess. Idk if this going to be a good thing. I mean it looks bad on us. Even though we agreed on a honorable accord, anarchs within our own sect openly attacked sabbat in cold bold... This makes any chances of making peace alot more slimer."

Eric · Joined: 30 Mar 2010 Posts: 255

They did what the other black-hand ass wipes did; turned tail and ran. Far as I'm concerned, the game of nines was compromised due to the Bandaleros acting of their own volition. Whatever beef they had with the sabbat is entirely on them. The terms involving the win/lose scenario is no longer in effect, and therefore was not settled. So if they come back asking for a fight, we may have to give it to them. If they wanna come back to talk...then we can talk. All I knows is, this doesn't really concern me much anymore.
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Charles Rockledge · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 1:11 pm Post subject:

@Eric
"It shouldn't have concerned you in the first place. You were in the right and only doing youur job. Slice and Dice were messing with an anach and wrecking property in your gangs teritory where you are enforcer and authorised to keep the peace.

They go whining to their sect as if they were attacked umprovoked."

If th sabbat wants a permanent emmisary to attend our gathering, then as it is with the emisery of Giovani, setite, Camarilla, and anyone else, they need to book in advance of the fact, if they don't notifiy us ahead of time, then they are trespassing and should not expect a warm welcome.

Similarly, If they are serious about 'peace', as if such a concept as peace is something they could even really understand; then they'd send an emisary that actually knows how to behave themselves and is really there to discuss buisness or theology or what not with us. They'd not two damn fools who are just looking for a good time and have a diferent idea of what a good time is then we do.
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Alura · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 369

Actually I believe it still concerns you the game of 9s wasn't settled, and I'd be careful of them saying we cheated and they might consider that a forfeit.

After the game of nines, we attempted to save the bandaleros who fell in combat. We were able to save 1 mortal, but 1 vampire died and became a husk. Why are they hanging around with mortals anyway? I've never seen a husk before now.

My guess is this isn't over. What happened with Simon? I didn't see him there when I came in.

Charles Rockledge · Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:11 am Post subject:

They jumped on the 9's bandwagon way to fast for my taste. That's not a game whose stakes are suppoed to be so high as to be playing for a life. Is it? They new they could absorb more shots than we us in such a simple game, with their extra thick bones overly corded muscle tissue or whatever it vis does for them, combined with fortitude and potentially high will. Nevertheless, we'd need only to outclass them to overcome that advantage.

The bisop does say that. His exact words were "So, it looks like you cheat." I replied. along the lines of "sigh, damn, apparently they do at any rate; idiot yellow heads."

I don't care what they consider it. They were wrong in the frst place to make a sect issue over what a single pair consider to be a personal insult. It should have been setle interpersonally; not this mountain out of a molehill nonsense. It's simply them taking advantage of a pretext like always.

Though now they have a genuine pretex to exploit.

Even so, we can't continue allowing them to manipulate us into playing things their way on their terms "or else" We need to begin removing the leverages they have or think they have over us.

I'm glad we saved the mortal. I hate the entire 'ghoul suits' concept.
Do we know which bendellero has fallen?

(OOC: if the husk is still hee on site, I look at it to see who it was. Is it paco or ...etc. I don't remember out of character their names clans etc. but charles would know them.)
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Alura · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 369

I don't think them jumping in was about 9s. More along the lines of killing Sabbat. I believe that is why the Barony and the Bandalaros didn't get along very well.

Francois would rather keep the Sabbat on peaceful terms to our advantage and the Bandalaros would rather kill them on sight.

Clearly our policies with the Water Under The Bridge Act have been unclear as of late. When is the last time someone was brought to the Baron for breaking the masquerade?

We need to create new policies, new diplomacies, and new politics, while using the old politics to our advantage.

Cheating may actually bring respect to the Sabbats eyes. It shows we're not just going to roll over and play dead. But we did meet with them and 'play' 9s. Personally I think we should be making the rules how we want them, and not being dragged into how they see fit. They seemed very concerned about killing this bandalaros as the fallen corpse was being dragged away, and the corpse has no soul.

I suggest we do something for our fallen comrades. More vampire deaths on this anniversary is sad for all of us. This was a needless death - no one needed to die here. Although 4 of us did try and save them.

As for a 'ghoul suit' I don't have a problem with controlling a mortal to protect masquerade, or to save lives, I only have a problem with it when one is too coward to show up in their own body for battle, and shows up with someone else's instead.

You're baron - use these events to your advantage and not to your disadvantage. Clearly sitting in a chair at stake point with a bomb in the room and doing nothing while letting Wiggs talk was not the best course of action.

Next time, blow majesty and open your big mouth. Step up and lead.

Charles Rockledge · Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:15 pm Post subject:

I don't think them jumping in was about 9s. More along the lines of killing Sabbat. I believe that is why the Barony and the Bandalaros didn't get along very well.
No, Imeant that the sabbat jumped on the bandwagon of playing a friendly game of 9's with us. I'd have epected a longer negotiation or no negotiation or something from the likesof them.

Francois would rather keep the Sabbat on peaceful terms to our advantage and the Bandalaros would rather kill them on sight.
It's been years since 'peaceful terms' with the sabbat felt like it was to our advantage. Not since that weekend in the park. The bandelleros prblem is not that they like to kill sabbat on site. It's that like to kill everybody on site. Sabbat, Camarilla, hunters, even other anarchs. That's not even their whole problem. It's that they do it of their own accord without, and even in spite of, the comunal good or its will.

When is the last time someone was brought to the Baron for breaking the masquerade?
Well personally, the first individual I want to see on that acount is snufles. Why though? What do you expect me to do with him if he's guilty; behead him? I think we agreed the cabinet makes such judgements now, not a single individual.

We need to create new policies, new diplomacies, and new politics, while using the old politics to our advantage.
-huffs

Cheating may actually bring respect to the Sabbats eyes. It shows we're not just going to roll over and play dead.
We're not going to be hypocrites Allura. We're not going to embrace the darkness just to have friendlier relations with its servants. We are above that. Our word must remain viable. We deal with all manner of folk, not just sabbat. It must be known that Bardonia barony is trustworthy and can be counted upon to keep its end of a bargain. Sullying that reputation is unacceptable.

But we did meet with them and 'play' 9s.
We were about to. 'They'
-points at the husk
jumped the gun. with the wrong guns, and players.

Personally I think we should be making the rules how we want them, and not being dragged into how they see fit.
Yes. Like I said though. Weneed to make them loose some of the good cards they holdin their hand and we need to draw a bette card or two for ourselves from the deck.
-criks my neck.

They seemed very concerned about killing this bandalaros as the fallen corpse was being dragged away,
They needed to ake sure they got at least one to feel like they hadn't allowed us to 'get away with it'.

and the corpse has no soul.
-blinks
It's a corpse.

I suggest we do something for our fallen comrades.
I need to calm down a bit before I can think of suitabley respectful memorials. Right now I'm angry enough to be fancifully thinking of honouring his 'sacrifice' by giving him the pleasure of the company of the rest of his gang so he wont be lonely on his way to oblivion.

More vampire deaths on this anniversary is sad for all of us.
This was a needless death - no one needed to die here.
-nods
Although 4 of us did try and save them.
That reminds of the old saying of "if so and so jumped off a cliff wouldyou do it to?"
They chose their own fate, and all accompanying consequences.

Clearly sitting in a chair at stake point with a bomb in the room and doing nothing while letting Wiggs talk was not the best course of action.
There wasn't any stake. The bomb is enough of a threat to all concerned. That's one of those cards I speak of. The DH.

Next time, blow majesty and open your big mouth. Step up and lead.
Don't be sily. Aweing the sonofabitch isn't enough to stop him from detonating a bomb that would kill all of you. Even if he decides to keep his 'new friend' temporarily out of it some how until the effect wears off.

I'm not gonna let them blow up everyone of my brethren that don't have majesty or agis.
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inblack83 · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 398

::The "Husk" Aka Majorly decayed body was that of Juan, the toreador member of the Bandoleros. The Human was bleeding and Dead. As these conversations occur. Paco and Maria come out from the shadows they are both crying tears of blood. Paco is on his Knees near the Corpse of Juan, and Maria stares at the body of their treasured Ghoul that Hector was riding::

:Through the cries of rage and emotion Paco screams

"POR QUE?!?!?! POR QUE?!?!?!? Nunca peirde el juego!!!!." He begins sobbing.

Maria Looks to you all who dare scoff at them for what they've done.

"Fucking estupidos, you're not the fucking ones who get terrorized on our territory by these fucking monsters. THEY ARE MONSTERS. YOU DO NOT DEAL WITH MONSTERS. You fucking kill the cabrones.

We had the fucking sabbat outnumbered 6 to 1, and you fuckers all do nothing.

Go ahead and talk mas mierda about us, when YOU ARE all the cowards who won't fight and die for the cause. Give us our dead comrades and allow us to mourn and return to our territory in peace. "

::With an obvious display of advanced Potence she picks up the dead mortal and motions to Paco to Grab the decayed corpse of Juan. They will make an exit swiftly and unless generally contested will be fair escaping via celerity and or Cloak the Gathering.::

Charles Rockledge · Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:19 pm Post subject:

The Human was bleeding and Dead.
OOC: Was he brought in dead?
If he was alive and no one else thought to 'feed' him, charles would have.

"POR QUE?!?!?! POR QUE?!?!?!? Nunca peirde el juego!!!!." He begins sobbing.
-I look about for one of the other anarchs I know speaks spanish, Alex perhaps, and raise my right eye in querry.

"you're not the fucking ones who get terrorized on our territory by these fucking monsters.
"Of course we are. They are"
-Charles points to the Fallen Angels
"and they just were"
-Charles cocks his head in the direction of Side of Fries
"And we've been"
-indicates himself and Allura
"the sabbat have always been a problem for everyone.
That is why they must be delt with by the community as whole never unilaterally by just one gang. Especially not in a territory other than the one under that gangs protection.

THEY ARE MONSTERS. YOU DO NOT DEAL WITH MONSTERS. You fucking kill the cabrones.
-Charles adresses the others more than he does the badelleros themselves.
"It's not that simple. The sabbat must be killed fast and all at once to do so successfully. Otherwise even one survivor can respawn an etire army of shovel heads in any given township. There's no point to killing the just the odd couple of them here and there. In war it is important to choose which battles are worth engageing in to achieve final victory; not to fight every possible battle that presents itself. Doing the former insures we retain the power to win those battle that really count. Doing the latter simply wastes soldiers and resources so that they are not available for when we really need them."

We had the fucking sabbat outnumbered 6 to 1, and you fuckers all do nothing. " More so do ants or bees outnumber an aardvark or bear. Yet their colony gets crushed just the same. DO NOT underestimate the power of the likes of Bishope Carmichael. It will take more than mere numbers to defeat one such as he. It will take wit; and strategy; and coordinated tactics."

Go ahead and talk mas mierda about us, when YOU ARE all the cowards who won't fight and die for the cause.
I don't undestand "mas mierda", but our 'cause' last I was told, was to remove the tyranicall oppression of the 'elders' as maintained by the current practices of the camarilla.

"Give us our dead comrades and allow us to mourn and return to our territory in peace. "
-nods.
"I'll give him (juan) honourable remembrence.
That one though"
-indicates the mortal's corpse.
"may still be fresh enough for you to embrace.
It's only been some minutes.
You might wish to consider that this need not neccesarily be final death for him."
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wiggs · Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:00 am Post subject:

" Sigh... For once.. I have to agree with you Charles... Although sometimes you talk like you can fit 18 dicks in your mouth at times... but that's besides the point... Look.. ... hes right... If we want to quote on quote kill the Sabbat, we gotta have a plan... and certainly not rush in a game of nines! There's nothing more than I want to see the Sabbat dealt with... However those guys fed it up. We had problem and now the bandalores made it worse. All the blame is put on them. And rightfully so. Sometimes you have to learn the hard way. Hey look at me. I done and gone fucked up and died for it. I been called alot of names. Hell even coward too. But a good vamp picks and chooses his/her fights. Those idiots i hate to say it... were asking for it... and now they lost one of there own... Fing retards"... Wiggs shakes his head...
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Alura · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 369

We're sorry and we 'she motions to Summer, Ulric, and Simon' did all we could to rescue your fallen comrades.

If you have a plan such as this, you're gang would do better to let us all know before hand, so you might have more help.

We did all we could to save them.

Perhaps the leaders of the gangs should meet to talk about what should be the next step. If we respond with more violence without thinking it through, it will likely only end in more blood.

Billy · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 197

*upon hearing what Maria had to say, a slight twitch is seen in Billy's eye*

i have noticed the sabbat have made a presence at all gatherings for the last year, most of which involves a bomb. This in my opinion is a travesty. They have lost their respect for us and the sabbats need to be reminded why they should fear us.

Rockledge, i am officially requesting that you summon a council meeting to discuss such issues. (OOC either forums or at next game?? IDK)

*to general assembly* AND until that time, i want to hear no words of negativity against the bandaleros. It will only cause strife amongst us, which will erode our unity and thus truly make us weak, should the sabbat escalate things further.

On that note, Charles keep me informed. oh and if anyone needs an interpretor, soy aqui. adios y buena suerte.

*then billy appears to vanish into thin air*
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wiggs · Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:20 pm Post subject:

Wiggs shakes his head... "I know you left Billy... but for the rest that can hear me... It's a catch 22... We all agreed as Anarchs gather to watch the event as planed and not interfere... However the bandelros didnt get the same memo... And as weak goes the sabbatt has ALWAYS percieved us as weak. They can steam roll into our territory whenever they wanted... They still do." Points to charles* "You were held by a suicide bomber as he was strapped with C4 came and strolled right up in our territory! So what i say is Yes... The bandleros still fucked up, but nobody asked them to open fire. They did it on there own accord. So point i am trying to make we still werent unified from the begining. If a anarchs as a cause agrees on something as a group the others should agree as well. But if there some anarchs like the Banleros deciding to take matters in there own hands they must pay for the concequences. Like the old guy Eric that shot at Slice or Dice. So no matter what we do or say.. come next meeting... We still lose in the end."
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Alura · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 369

I think we all know the Sabbat can steam roll us. We couldn't even get 3 people together for 9s who could hold their own. Let alone take on the Sabbat...

That without the support of the Masons. The Masons want peace with the Sabbat, because they know once we war with the Sabbat, the Cam will come in here and take us like it's nothing.

Name anyone who has out of clan Aegis? Or any elder discipline not in clan. We aren't clearly nor prepared for war. We were ready to ask the Cam to step in to play a game of 9s for us.

So let me ask you? Are you really ready to die again? Because I don't think any of us are really prepared to take on the Sabbat.

Should this be our decision, that is fine, I will support the Anarch cause, but let us not forget that all our Brujah are acting a little off. The best way to fight the Sabbat is through influence.

I will however personally work with helping the Cam to help us against the Sabbat, and to not eat us afterwards. But I believe this war will end up with a lot of pointless bloodshed.

Choose whatever you wish, but without Aegis or some other amazing trick up our sleeve, I don't see how we can come out the victors in a war.