Under The Rock

Alura · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 369

Teachings are easy to get if you talk to the right people. *She winks.* Items, what kind do you need?

Speaking of teachings, Darian do you think it might be possible to arrange an Aegis teacher and perhaps an alternate identity for me? It would be for the cause as I would like to do some more traveling to other cities to help support the anarch cause but I fear it would be too dangerous without such a technique. I would like to become more famous so I might be able to use my influence to helps anarchs there and I don't want myself to become a 'living' breech of masquerade. We can use this to help strengthen Rockland. Last time I went with Mr. D and he was attacked. Also sometimes when people frenzy - crazy things happen, like preempting my celerity. It would be very dangerous otherwise. That is assuming we're still supporting the cause.

As for the Sabbat, I happen to know they're planning on running a muck through the mall you were speaking of on such, and such a night. I suggest we find a way to shut it down for the day so no innocence are there. It would also be a preemptive strike to the certain breeches of masquerade we'd have to cover up.

If you want to really fight the Sabbat, we'd have to get organized and rather quickly. Let's not forget the fight is on two fronts with the hunters as well. I'm sure the Cam would love to join in. All sides have violated the water under the bridge act, but what you're proposing would be a blatant act of war. We'd need to find new ways to protect the civilians and perhaps some kindred hospitals to treat their wounds and make them forget what they saw.

Yes a freehold area would be ideal, where we can discuss politics with the Sabbat, and the Cam, without major problems. It should be something we set up early, before everyone decides this land is mine and this land is mine, so it becomes impossible to set up.

We can safely assume the hunter base is probably across the bridge since that is where they were trying to take the captive ghouls.

We should also speak with the werewolves again, against this common hunter enemy and I'm also curious the status of the park since it had been "purified."

Am I forgetting anything?

Billy · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 197

*to Amy*
Thank you Amy. if i could get your contact information so when i do find these hunters i can find you and we can defeat them together.

*to Alura*
If you do venture into the park i'd love to tag along, so please keep me informed if you do. And good luck to all that other stuff.

*to Charles*
If you could get me and everyone else a copy of the hunter's face who showed up to your Christmas party. It will be more reliable than a sketch.

Now i also recall when this place was blown up the first time there was a hunter that showed up before the lights went out. he introduced himself, went into a corner, then the lights went off and he vanished. three more appeared in his place plus the bomb. If you could access your back logs from that night you could get his picture, if you do find his face please send it to all of us as well.

*to General assembly*
in my opinion the sabbat and cam saw the fact that no gang took over the final quarter of the freehold, thus a sign of weakness. happily we told them the answer we always should tell them...FUCK OFF!!! They fear anarch unification, the answer in these situations should always be as such.

I'm not here to discuss cam and sabbat politics, right now i want the hunters gone. So we can get back on that topic...i really don't want to be here long.
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Charles Rockledge · Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:15 am Post subject:

On such and such a night?
Isn't it still blown up, the mall?
What kind of muck can they be planing at a construction site?
I don't expect the crews work into the night, but to be sure, Yes, we should try and arrange for everyone to be clock out before dusk that day.

If we could somehow leak such and such a night to the hunters, perhapswe can stay out of the way and let the two groups have ago at eachother without us in crossfire. Better yet, if we know when they wil be otherwise occupied, and not in their own HQ's or respective teritory, perhps we can raid their HQ if we've found it by then, or else raid into Sabbat territory; while they are busy atthe mall site.

On the other hand, perhaps the sabbatwill reconsider their own much f they are aware we ar eplanning to ofer them equal share of it along with everyone else; or at leaststall them. The Five points compromiseisone I'dlike to get a vote completed from this cabinet before dawn ((prsumes sundy morning real time)); along with who else is contribbuting what to the influence pool for plan A versus the hunters. Aside from having that pool ready by our next gathering, it would also be nice if negotiations with Sid and the Don, et al, could also already be opened, perhaps with an invite to the gathering itself.

No, the sabbatare the ones committing the blatant acts of war. I am saying it i time we blatantly REACT to them. Using healt influence to make sure we've first acess to any injurd witnesses is an excellent secondary security net to set up. Our primary one though should be to try and arrange circumstances so that the fight will ocur where there is few if any mortals around. Somewhere nice and abandoned like the warehous district or the park.

A freehold doesn't neccesarily apply to cam and sabbat. It's just a place where anarchs know no one restricts feeding in any way, except so as to maintain the masquerade, and no one restricts who can live where and engage in what kinds of buisness there, also except for if it would violate the masquerade. Territories that are gang protectorates instead of freehold can technically have other limits set by the ruling gang.

We've already done the bit of this land is who's. In terms of re-establishign a freehold, a discusion best suited actually for another meeting, as for know our priorities should be the hunters, first and then the reestablishment of all out former alliances that also make the county itself strong against external threats like the huntes.
Oh yes, just in case it happens again the next gathering, I would also like it formerly decided and declared that I can either ask for an immediate emergency decision from cabinet members over issues presented in which we may not have 30 days to discuss it and reach a conclusion; Or thatI can make the decision myself, letting the alternate party know that it is only provisional, and conditional upon ratification by the cabinet.

Not neccesarily. That was sixish months ago. There base might have been over the bridge then, but have oved neared to us since. Those three months of quite could have been the subtle relocation of their base as well the stakeout of our territory.

There were only two werewolves left last time. Their storyteller and their alpha. The storyteller can't be risked in a fight. He's too precious a resource. The Alpha might be hungryfor a bit of vengeance, but he might also aknowledge that if he falls, his Cairne will never be repopulated. The gangrel might simply claim the entire park, or other forces might move on in... ... ...

Well, we could also see if any warriors from abroad would like to join us for a good fight. William I hea now has contacts in Boston, yes? There might be some anarchs left in Buffalo or conneticuit, etc. that'd like to indulge the itch and consider traveling down here renforce our numbers. Of course sabbat could muser forces in the same manner. This is why i's mportant our sudden willingness to retaiate be kep secret until the moment we are ready to engage them. Expanding beyond sect, I know we've got Anarch, Camarilla, and Independent toreador soe o whom are part of martial defenceof their own respective domains. If others are in similar contact with their clans, perhaps some of them would be interested in thwarting some hunters; or the sabbat; or interested in brokering their services. Careul though, there are known instances of sabbat infiltrators in clan communication channels.

@Billy
Actually, we resorted to a sketch ecause al digital material was immediatly wiped by them somehow; mystically? and we had nothing else to go on but the memories of William Johns and Alex which I sketched from. My sketch is quite reliable though. ((Craftsx5 if neccesary, though I preer x4 so as not to give it equal status to Fionas portrait))

No, that was Damian, The Bishops childe who popped in here ...despite the fact we had wards in place bought from xox and noko that was meant to prevent such things, had a chat with us, then poped out to be immediatly replaced by those 3 hunters.

As an aside though, we don't actually keep footage that breeches the masquerade. Standard opporating proceedure is that we destroy such footage the day it occurs, replacing it with ordinary day footage that rns from alternte camerals whose run dates are programmed wrong when they arefirst installed; so no footage tampering actually occurs reletie to the time stamps. Mortalswi the right warentscan commandeer my security tapes you know, and so nothing 'special' is allowed to remain present in the security logs.

All pertenent bits of 'special', are instead personally document, in code, by me or my Ghoul 'Poet', and hidden in plain sight at times as works of absract or imprssionist art; sketches, paintings, etc; which would't attract the wrong kind of mortal attention, especially if police decide to have peak in the basement storage areas and such.
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Alura · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 369

The mall got blown up? That's news to me.

Well according to my knowledge of werewolves, to repopulate, all they would need to do it scratch or bite some non werewolves. They don't need to have babies or anything like that, although I believe they can.

So I do believe we should check in on them. If it is just the two of them still, we should see if they need anything. We might be able to pull of some proper diplomacy, as long as we have the right people. Last time, they knew me as leader. So I'm not sure how that change might affect our diplomacy. Storyteller? I thought he was a shaman of some sort. I don't know, beats the heck out of me.

As for the hunters, it couldn't be that hard to find someone with a blue glowing sword, who walks around in plain sight with it. Very few people around here run around with archaic weapons.

Bomb, teleporting, angels, who use swords and bombs? This seems more like something out of the twilight zone. Don't forget they have fire mages at their disposal. Or at least the other group of hunters did.

I suggest the same thing I have from the beginning. Use some knock-out gas-like weapons. Or hold meetings in an air-free facility, where we cannot be bothered so easily. No air - no fire. No air, - no hunters. It's as simple as that. If it's bomb resistant all the better. If you want to have it out, make sure it's a place without mortals around, so we aren't worried about innocent causalities.

Influence wise, we could call the whole veteran war thing a terrorist frame up. It's a risky move, but they seem even more afraid of the authorities getting involved than we are. They will tie up all their influence covering it up, while our influence investigates them. We need to make them look like the bad guys, and let them know we're willing to pull out all the stops, besides risking innocent lives of course. Once the hunter threat is removed, we can drink it in like a fine wine, and declare the terrorist threat has relocated elsewhere, setting off a bomb somewhere far away from us, and like a glaze to a cake, clean it up from afar if need be.

Clearly the hunters leave, and they come back, they leave and they come back, they leave and they come back. Stronger measures must be used to keep them from returning. Let us let them know, Rockland is the wrong place to fuck with and let us get rid of them once and for all.

Also let us prepare for such situations.

I believe the hunters come here because we have little to no religion in the area. This also means we have little religious influence. In response if I can gather enough support, I will commission a grand cathedral filled with underground air-tight rooms and religion influence for everyone. The hunters dare not attack us in a place of worship. We can have the rooms properly warded, so we aren't worried about hunters, or werewolves, or mages, teleporting in willy-nilly and dragging us back to the umbra or the elemental plane of fire, or whatever. As for covering up the masquerade, we can blame it on an anti religious group and call it a day, or simply a religious ritual. We can use it to create a new found sense of hope and peace within Rockland, as well as use it to boost the economy with the influx of people. Hell just look at what the pope has covered up and the catholic church has accomplished. And for those of you against the catholic church, perhaps a whole brand new religion is in order. We can fill the place with art. The brightest and most brilliant of art works. It will be spectacular!

Will you help support me in this endeavor, against the hunters, to help Rockland and this great anarch cause? Let us show that we can work together, and how great to this world we are, and what freedom really is, and can truly accomplish if we all work together. For the present and the future, so we can end this fear of hunters, once and for all. Don't forget, it was the hunters who killed Samantha. If not for me, do it for Samantha, and all the lives the hunters have taken.

Billy · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 197

i thought the whole throwing three vampires into a gang and telling them they own a place was a charade so the cammies would STFU faster about the SE of the freehold.
It appears that the people who were picked have taken to their gang idea to heart and i like it.

*to the man in the black duster*
I see every gang represented here, so i don't know who your referencing.

i will support all anarchs fighting oppression weather it be hunters, sabbats, or flying spaghetti monsters. So if the fallen angels were to claim the SE/unclaimed section of the freehold, know that my gang will support and assist in driving away any outside oppressors. as i mentioned before i think the sabbat saw a weakness in the county when they threatened to take the area or "danger zone" as you referred to it as. should they actually attack, they will learn how fast we bite back.

(After hearing charles' comments a slight smirk is seen on Billy's face, then dissapates)
*to Charles*
I know you want to war with Sabbat, all things in good time, should we be in war the county needs to be purged of interior threats, IE the hunters. Them first, then sabbat. So any pictures of these guys will be very helpful.

*to Alura*
wait so we should meet in a no air room...like at the bottom of a river!? oh and for the record it isn't that the county has no religion, it was breaches that made the hunters show.
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Charles Rockledge · Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:24 pm Post subject:

It was in the news
http://utr.s2.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=247
The mall went along with everywhere else.

Actually, as I hear it told, garou don't in fact have some kind of equivilant to the embrace. That they do is myth and/or holywood version/exageration. Garou I think are actually do have to be born garou. It's something I'll ask around after the truth of.

-thinks silently to self: ((well I'd rather imagine they'd aprove a leader that wont break down weaping in front of them))
-Charles smiles and nods at Alluras suggestion.

raises eyebrow. He walked in here. A full house partywith police and media in attendance. Either he'snotin fact carying the thing stapped across his back in plain view when he's not about to use it; orperhaps he's got some kind of perception filter, like obfuscate that prevents anyone; or at least mortals, from noticing it. Also, I don't think it stays blue all the time; just when he's fighting something supernatural.

Swords and bombs aren't especially weird Allura. The U.S. Marine corps are issuded sabers or something of the sort and yet still use bombs. Similarly, the middle eastern extremists use bombs, but also swords and the like, no. I don' think is the lot with fire mages. It's true uou wouldn't need bombs if your abletoteleport in bits of the sun to a room.

Actually, that's good idea. We'dnot be at a loss in the oxy-free rooms, and even if the hunters can compensate somehow, it migh swing the combats more quickly in our favor.

We do not want the feds here.
I doubt they really are more afraid then we are of that.
The feds being involved would mean we'd all have to go underground completley and take no actions at all, perhaps even leave town during their investigations. The feds would only aide the hunters abilty to flush us out, or uncover suspicious acticvity that can be traced to 'vampires'.
The word terrorist must be kept out of circulation at all costs. They wouldn need to cover it up. The church aint afraid of the state. Liberal media concerns to the contrary be damned.

They already make themselves look like the bad guys precicely because they have been risking innocent lives and we haven't. In perception to whom though? We don't want to look like the good guys ourselves; to the masses, we want to look like we don't exist at all. The public needs to percieve these hunters as a threat to them, not a threat to us we are seeking help to end. There is no us in the eyes of the public.

Still, we can indeed try to pin the frame up on a local villain. Ones who clearly aren't terrorists, but still would have a reason behind tageting Rocklands most sucessfull buisnesses...
... ... ...
Alright. I love 2 birds with one stone. How about this...
Last I herd, there were two syndicated crime families, that is to say, mobs or maffias, opporating in Rockland County; only one of which is actually a Giovanni front. What if we were to cast the other crime family as the source of Rocklands unreast? That would provide the cover we need or fighting the hunters. Allow a focus for local law enforcement to concentrate on, and perhaps help eliminate some competition for which the giovanni would appreciate when the time comes to ask a favor of them.

IT's always different hunters. New ones keep showing up because we keep breeching the masquerade. To really stop them comming ater we beat this lot, we need to start being more cafeful. Also more through in covering up what taking care can still not prevent from being revealed.

Rockland in't especially un-religeous. I mean sure, we're not the mid-west, but we don't seem anymore worse off faiths-wise than anywear else in the north-east.

Excellente idea for a project in and of itself, especially perhaps for in the freehold, but again, the influence it would take to build the place is something we wouldn't be able to muster unti after we purge the hunters from Rocland this time, and then buy up what that free's to add to Anarchs own influence totals. Especially if you want to make sure you're not going to build THEM a base HQ right here. We ned to make sur eit's all our own people invlived on big construction projects now. Infiltraters could work bombs and stuf into the very foundations.

Of course they'd dare. Alura this gallery has a chapel in it passed off as one exhibition hall, and they still blew it up. As far as they are concerned, if it's ours then its autmatically unsanctified or unholy, or something satanic or whatnot.

We had this place warded by nox and noko too, remember. They apparently know how to bypass the wards. Else holy power is more powerful than the magicks used to create the wards. Eitherway, no place is ever completly secure. No mater how impervious ones sanctum is, it should still always have a way out for when 'the hero' finally manages to penatrate it.

Blame what on the an anti-religious group, the 'terrorist' atacks? They didn't atack religious institutions, they attacked buisness establishments. Beter we blame rival 'buisnessess', or even truer to form, religious fanatics who fel wealth is the cause of people leaving their faiths and so are trying create/maintain poverty, with repeated blows to the economy, as poor people are most easily recruitable into religious fanaticism.

Use what for Rocklands economy and sense of hope and piece; The Cathedral? You know, either Katholcism, or a whole new religion will cause some trouble with the Setites, who unlike the hunters, actually have long term permanent settlement in this county. It's fine to build a place both of use to us and good for the count, but lets not rush to far into the actual depths of religion. It never ends well. Look at the sabat. They used to be Anarchs until they 'found religion'.

wait so we should meet in a no air room...like at the bottom of a river!?
It's possible to build oxogen free sub-basements. Several of us have got havens done up that way. It's a simple matter of reversing flow in the ventilation systems; or not even having any ventilation systems, to the sub-level in question. Similarly, you can close ventilation to the rest of a building and blow gas into the ventilation system, with only the one chamber being open to ventilation.

Because these hunters ...and garou to for that matter... tend to switch technology and electronics off, the best kind of default system is one where the ventilation shutters are naturally down at the rest position and it requires the active tech and programming to hold them open. This is opposite how things are usually done, where you have to instruct the system to direct ventilation that is always usually open unless told to be closed. By doing it the opposite way, and perhaps keeping some conceled gas tanks in the room itelf, the attack will triger the room becoming air tight. We can then release the gas; say it is stored in heleium tanks next to a bunch of baloons, ...or IN a bunch of baloons. We can take down air breathing attackers in this fashion.
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inblack83 · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 398

::While'st the long winded youth of clan Toreador vent their ideas and forth comings, Darien sits patiently tapping his finger to the conference table, stopping now and then for brief moments and gazing at Johan, then returning his attention to whomever was speaking. After Charles' last comment he smiles subtly and begins his speech::

"Gang leaders, Enforcers, and Extras, in the 300+ years of Rockland being an anarch free state, never before have i seen hunter problems such as what we have here. You speak of all these national contacts and others from other domains, but who here has made it a priority to actually learn more about what we're facing? Who has the Lore? And Who is trying to get some?

Francois and the rest of the Free Masons were thought to be too controlling, thought to be too Camarillan, yet all the while our elder influence keeps this city's heart pulsing and keeps you all alive. When you spend you mere handful of contacts to try to cover things up, who do you think pushes it, enforces it, and picks up the slack in fields you don't have?

WE DO.

Do not think that the slights against the Free Masons by this county will go forgotten. We, unlike most of you all, have lived centuries, and plan on living more. It is in the best interests of the County and the Cause however that we must offer you all our assistance, for you all are like lost sheep without it."
::He pauses::

"Now Johan, please illuminate and educate the youth of Rockland as to your findings after the torturing...I mean Interrogating of that Recently dead hunter brought in by the Bandoleros. "

inblack83 · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 398

::Johan's Dark tone of voice, that which pales to how dark his heart may be, begins in an audibly soft crescendo::

"The Resolve of this hunter was very difficult to break away. Her Birth name was Jennifer Johnson, though she mostly went by Trinity. Her mother and father were both killed when she was young, by what she remembers to be a biker gang who all had fangs. She started running with a paranormal research team after college through some government sponsored group.
She was a cyber-hacker or whatever, after some run in with more of our kind she was the only remaining member of her team for a few years until she became affiliated with the Awakened Hunters.

Awakened Hunters are not your run of the mill stake and cross hunters. They all manifest certain Edges based on their Convictions, these powers can trump our disciplines ten fold when used appropriately or in tactical groups. Her forte was technology and she allegedly could use a power to Jam or Break Technology. She was also the team's contact to the national network of hunters that sponsors and mentors these Awakened ones.

Before i cast her soul into oblivion, i was able to relieve her of some key information regarding the whereabouts of the rest of the team. They had a contingency that if she didn't file a report within x time, they would dispatch another to replace her, in order to keep in communication with the Cell. This has most likely occurred already. Here's what i could get about her partners:

"The Avenger" His faith alone is strong enough to be a great hunter, toss in some super powers that double his combat effectiveness we have a truly challenging foe.

"Pyro" This guy is a loose cannon. Only recently awakened he was a fire bomber and did time in Iraq. Known powers include ability to Manipulate Fire.

"Merlin" He's never showed his face other than to the team. He's a psychoporting hedge magic hunter. He can allegedly shut off our powers altogether.

In respects to more info, they were too smart, they used riddles and glyphs to keep their base of operations moving and secret. "

::Johan trails off about some wraith soul spirit shadowlands garbage that no one understands::

Alura · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 369

One mage, one psyonic and a Paladin/ranger/fighter and one dead techno-path. I didn't think techno-paths existed. However they're all mortals. Take the air out of the room and it's over.

Billy you've never been to a bank vault?

Take the air out of the room and not even a mage will be able to cast a spell, let alone a fire spell. Every single one will drop like flies. Conventional weapons that don't rely on technology or that will burst into flames will also be useful. No air - no bombs, no grenades, it's all basic science.

An airless room doesn't have to be technology, just a room that no air can get in or out.

I have a little anarch lore, and a little cam lore. But everything else I have learned in my adventuring. Werewolves can "pro-create" two ways pass on the curse, or mate. Purebreds aren't something you ever want to be messing with.

The problem isn't the hunters we're dealing with themselves, it has more to do with their replacing themselves over and over again. This has been a recurring problem, take out one enemy and another arises.

We need to fill the void with friends and not allies.

I'd also like to note, those who have slighted the masons haven't been seen in months. The unganged brujah who stood against the baron and the masons are all gone. There is only one anti-mason group still left around here and they really weren't any part of the problem. I believe everyone here still supports Francois and the Masons. I just find it funny that we haven't seen Francois is ages. Is he in a coma?

We definitely appreciate the influence holes being covered. Let us just say the city would obviously have fallen to countless breaches in masquerade without them. But it looks like it's not enough, with all the hunters that keep showing up around here, year after year.

I understand it was the breeches in masquerade was what brought them here, but we can use this opportunity to turn this strength into a weakness. They seem to not want the authorities involved even more than we do. Let us make them look like they are breaching the masquerade, that they are fucking up at every turn, and they will be removed by their higher ups, or their enemies, or flee completely. We'd be fools to think we are their only enemies. No werewolf, no vampire likes these hunters and while we may not get rid of the problem in its entirety, we need to show them that Rockland is no place to mess.

It is not that we do not appreciate what you masons do. We really do appreciate everything. But your people would like to have a more pro-active role in the city. I believe that was where the problem stemmed. Perhaps a more informed role.

I am saddened about the explosions. I am softened by the loss of life. We cannot stand idly by while these innocents suffer any longer.

Clearly we are all unified in going against these hunters. I would like to strengthen ourselves, strengthen our bonds with possible allies, and increase the ability to deal with not just the problem at hand, but to make sure the problem is dealt with for the future.

Darien do you, the masons, or Francois, have a plan of action for us? One that doesn't involve more pointless deaths for anyone, hunter, or vampire, or innocent alike?

I believe my plan was peaceful and to not handle it in an all out call to war, which we cannot afford and will leave us ripe for the taking.

The suffering and fighting must end.

Come to think of it, I've seen these glyphs in the woods, in the park, near the werewolf encampment.

Charles Rockledge · Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:26 am Post subject:

-Charles suppresses any reaction to the news that Johan cast her soul into oblivion ((Do I need to spend a will to?))

Charles pays close attention to Johans trailing off, as it is something for which he’d very much like to gain an understanding of.

-mutters
“Damn, a national network of hunters knows were here? That just sucks…”

“Thank you Johan, that information is most helpful. I appreciate the trouble you went through to obtain it for us. If I may seek to clarify a few bits from that report?:"

-Ettiqueete and Expression to convey that I am asking these questions respectfully.
"Do we have any idea who that biker gang was; did she remember any identifying markers to indicate if it was it an Anarch gang, A camarilla coterie, a Sabbat pack, or some independents?
Do we know where this happened; was she local, or did she grow up elsewhere in the country?
What was the name of her original paranormal research team? Perhaps there are records available somewhere pertaining to it that could give us some more leads.
Do we know which government group sponsored her entry into that team? Perhaps the same group is affiliated with these national awakened network, and … well, I don’t know what yet, but every shred of information is valuable.
As with her parents, do we know which others of our kind killed off the rest of her initial paranormal research group; Was it perhaps the same group that had killed her parents whom she tracked down different members of?

Her parents are dead, but did she have any other relieves; siblings, children, etc? Perhaps others of her team will make an attempt to ‘look after them’. If we can find where they are first we can wait for another of her team to visit and ambush them, having prepared the known ambush point long in advance.

Is it another technopath to replace her that she was expecting, or another team member in general to replace her?
If we’re gonna have another new power appearing on the scene we’ve not experienced yet, well, it’s a variable I’d like to solve as quickly so I can include it in planning for the fight.

She didn’t reveal "The Avenger" , "Pyro" , "Merlin" real/civilian names?
That’ll make it a tad more difficult to track them down, though I suppose it is “The Avenger” whose face I’ve got sketched. Perhaps the image and the moniker might reveal some correlations.

Did you get some of the riddle and glypghs? Images or descriptions? If anyone has occult or knows someone with it, perhaps they can translate the glyphs for us? We can attempt to solve the riddles ourselves. I’m not bad with riddles usually.
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Charles Rockledge · Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:28 am Post subject:

Alura, a mortal in good health and with some practice can hold their breath for a solid 3 minutes and remain active. That's enough time to do some melee damage, even take down and out a few targets if they are coordinated. This also presumes the airless room takes them by surprise. If they are expecting it, they could have masks and respiration devices. The psycoporter can perhaps teleport air into an airless room, or teleport him and his companions out of one before the 3 minutes are up.
No. What we really need is a means to negate their powers. To make it a fair fight. ...or unfair in our favor as we'd outnumber them. The problem of their power being greater than ours and/or able to supress ours must be dealt with. Using an airtight room or gas becomes more viable if we can actually hold them in the trap.

-a bit flabbergasted
“but Garou aren’t cursed, they …OHhhh, Ri-i-ight… I see what you’re saying now.”
-Charles gives Allura the ‘okay-dokey’ hand symbol and wink, then moves on, giving no further comment relating to werewolves.

“Yes. This is the real problem. Gathering friends and allies is a way to discourage some threats; and a way to defeat others. We still need to learn to hide better though. That will always be our best defence.”

-looks at the crowds faces trying to intuit whether they all do indeed support the masons for Charles has his doubts that everyone is back in bandwagon just yet.

“Well, we DO keep breeching masquerade, year after year. Covering it up only prevents ordinary mortals from finding out and launching a full on inquisition again. Folks already in the know, already aware of supernatural phenomenon don’t get fooled the way the masses do who don’t believe and are eager for the logical explanation they are spoon fed. We all need to be more careful on the whole.

Why do you think they don’t want the authorities involved. They used the police and media against us already. It’s only the feds they apparently don’t want either, and I do not believe they don’t want MORE than we don’t, just perhaps exactly as much as we don’t, or perhaps slightly less even. The feds would be an inconvenience to them being able to work illegally. That’s not enough of an advantage for us to overshadow the disadvantage of having the feds here would cause us. How do you propose WE deal with a federal presence in Rockland? None of us have influence at the national level. “
-looks at Darien
“None of us do have national influence, aye?”
-looks back to Allura
“There higher ups would just send another team to replace them. They’ve no other enemies left in this area, but us to remove them. The others have all been delt with first, one at a time. I also don’t think they’ll flee completely, just because ewe start breaking masquerade on purpose and blaming it on them. That would just attract all the more hunters to come here, and likewise provoke more negative reactions from the Regent to boot. We need to reduce the apparent supernatural presence in this county, not call even more attention to its presence. It’s true no vampire should ‘like’ these hunters, yet neither Camarilla nor Sabbat feel threatened enough to help us without demanding a price in return merely because they are a common threat. Similarly, none of the 4 independent clans have reached out to us with offers of aide in this time of crisis. They are content to sit back and watch the show, or wait to see what overtures we are willing to offer them for their aide.

This cabinet now provides that role. Is not all well now on our own internal political front?

We can’t stand idly by period. Preventing the suffering of the innocent is an added bonus for the likes of us, but we need to stop them for our own communities sake as well.

Yes. I would like to do those things as well. The question is: How do we strengthen our ties with potential allies? Or, more practically, what do we have to offer that makes us worth allying with? Things like my five points compromise et al are means of providing incentive to the others that their interests would be equally well served by being with us rather than completely separate.

Allura. All of kindred society has had a plan for avoiding pointless death, for millennia now. The Masquerade. This pointless death happens when that plan fails. Now this international network is aware of us in Rockland, the only way to stop the pointless death would be to fool them into thinking they've successfully cleared out this nest. Otherwise they'll simply send in team after team after team, to replace those whom we kill, even in self-defense.

The plan to lure them to a room where we can remove the air and drop them like flies? It’s a good idea in terms of those on the table we can practically apply, but how is it more peaceful than any of the others or less a call to action? The plan to let the feds handle it? I haven’t even begun to imagine how we could possibly cope with the pressence of the FBI anywhere near us. Tapping all the street cameras and all other electionics, communications too via the patriot act, monitoring them all with legions of coffee drinking techies. How would we feed or gather or anything? And you can be sure the Sabbat wont be nice and hide from the feds while they catch ‘the terrorists’. The Sabbat would glory and revel in the opportunity to play it up for the cameras. The same guy who tore his face off in the café seems to be leading their action of late.

When the world ends, so will the suffering and the fighting. Until then, one must choose betwen the peace of death or the price of victory.

There were also glyphs spray-painted all across rockland going as far back as before the death of Jean-Luis. Placed so covertly that the galery security team didn't notice it being done.
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Billy · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 197

*to Darion*
I do not know what has been done to the masons to cause you to not like the rest of the county, but if it was that people were complaining that the masons were camarillan i have seen never seen a Mason force the blood bond of slavery on another anarch, nor have they given blatant orders like a prince. So i respect the masons for not falling into the beliefs of the camarilla elders.

On behalf of my self and the members of my organization i would like to thank the masons for all the hard work they have done in establishing this county, and i would like them to know that my organization will do everything in our power to defend the freedom this county offers. If we've slighted the masons i would like to know how we have done so and how i may fix the issues, if you could inform me about this privately so we don't waste any more time not discussing the hunters.

*to General Assembly*
Now back to business, i didn't think these hunters were that smart so if we can't track them, as Yohan pointed out, then luring them to us is the next solution. They most likely will attack this place again wanting Charles' head and the fact that this is the only structure that was rebuilt in any timely fashion, or is running to my knowledge.

SO i say that come the Sunday of Jan 16th, Charles holds another gathering much like he did in October, nothing special without a huge mortal presence in the Downstairs. when the hunters do attack, call it a hunch, but i think they will. we take them down unconscious, but do not kill them. i repeat DO NOT KILL THEM. if they are connected to a greater hunter network, it will be through the techno person, this cell of hunters lost their original one when they attacked last. So like Johan said they probably replaced the techie already.

When the hunters are down, the techie needs to be taken to a person such as Mr. Bardonia here to control the techie's mind and have it report to the greater network that the vampires are dead and the other hunters in the cell, IE the avenger, merlin, pyro died in the battle. actually second thought, only the new techie needs to stay alive, all the others must disappear so if vampires such as myself and Amy are looking for justice...oh and i AM looking for some fucking justice...i think we all know what to do. This should solve this scenario and perhaps provide insight into the hunter world when all is said and done. and it all can be done behind the masquerade.

In short, lure hunters, defeat all, leave techie alive, make it tell vampires are dead, Party. If anyone has a problem with this idea speak now...

*Billy waits for less then a second not really giving time for people to respond*

We're all good then, fan-FUCKING-tastic. since no one was volunteering, I will. I know how to get in touch with all of the groups here, and you all know how to get in touch with me, don't come to this gathering in a sketchy black van, the hunters use it, it will be easier to spot them etc. Don't look like your going to war, come looking like you regularly would. and make sure to bring flashlights or torches etc.

Remember these hunters may have some powers, we all have our own, mainly the speed that vampires, such as my enforcer, can literally run circles around these mortals. This will be our strength, plus we will have the numbers game. Now i know i am not the fastest nor have the combat experience so when the battle does take place i can think of a general to lead the ambush, William Johns is the first name that comes to mind, but whoever that is minor details by comparison.

*to Charles*
Last time we were thrown with a bomb, use your police to get access to some like bomb squad guy to teach you how to defuse, demolitions, if you will. Or get the bomb squad on loan or make him a ghoul, i don't know that just sounds good to me.

*back to the General assembly*
Others matters of battle tact can be discussed during the gathering, or via private calls. Now that i feel business is concluded i say this meeting be finished and we go our separate ways. Vampires who want do discuss politics or whatever, do it once the hunter threat has been eliminated, i am tired of listening to this. If you decide to stay here i would recommend that the lighter be put back on the table and stay lit, so if the hunters do attack vampires will not be losing sight in the darkness when the power goes off.

That being said...*Billy stands up and gives everyone a nod of respect starting with Darion* Good night and adios to everyone here, i am done.

*Presuming Amy gave Billy her contact info, he walks to the door, if Amy didn't he gets it from her(I hope) and the walks to the door. Before opening it Billy's head perks up*

Oh one more thing...

*Billy turns around and addresses the man in the duster(on forums V....)*

as a piece of friendly advice, when someone asks your name it would be nice to respond, especially if you are representing a gang and have yet to introduce your gang to the rest of the county, and happen to look like a combination of a priest and biker when holy hunters know that vampires come to this place, Vampires may think that there is a connection.

furthermore if you are going to comment on being foolish yet you stab a mortal for no good reason, Vampires might question the legitimacy of a Vampire claiming to be alive from the time of the crusades.

*to General Assembly*
If anyone needs to contact me, you know where i can be reached.

*Billy kicks open the door, walks through it and seems to vanish into thin air*
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Alura · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 369

I would like to note, I was not suggesting breaching masquerade. I was suggesting blaming everything on them, letting them cover it up, as well as investigating them for more information...

I for one would like to hear what the Masons would have to say before I just make my own plan and leave.

Charles Rockledge · Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:40 am Post subject:

((@ Billy; you can't 'kick open the door'. It's a special door with many locks and seals that requires the swiping of todays access card to undo (probably not the same access card as for the elevator). Good locks and seals. Perhaps if it is a puisance kick, you can kick the door down off of its ...hinges?, or have the force tear the locks apart and collapse the door. Also, that door leads out to the thrid floor central chamber; where the gatherings are held; and otherwise, the Allura Exhibition Hall Smile

s. The way out is via the private elevator. Sorry, I'll finishing setting up gallery location threads to clarify the places layout.))

@Allura
Well, the last time they covered the breech up, they framed veterans for it. At least when we cover it ouselves, we can be more discerning as to our choice of patsy.

((I'm responding to Billy's post now, will post it in next, then edit.))
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V......... · Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:56 am Post subject: ..

how is their base moved ,or do they just restart ever time and get more supplies and people?