Under The Rock

Tenna · Joined: 21 Apr 2010 Posts: 35

::Tenna enters::
What is this I hear of an anarch government? May I inquire?
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Charles Rockledge · Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:31 pm Post subject:

They're using holy power, not arcane power.
Though apparently they're using tech stuff too. I wonder they might not indeed be orking as a consortium of several diferent hunter groups.

-looks skeptical
was it that easy to corupt you back in the day?
I'm not mortal and still manage to avoid corruption.
This lot has strenght of conviction.
Do you really think the temptations we could offer them would be enough to overcome the power of their faith?

"our"; The term is "our". It's always "our" when speaking of integrated administrative bodies.

It doesn't matte if "they" don't officially aknowledge it. Rockland is independent from the Domain of Greater New York. That Prince and his conclave don't apply to us. Not beyond treaties we make with them as one domain would make with another one does.

No. I think you are inventing hypocracy because you put "government" concept all into the same box/folder and label it "Cam"; when in reality "government" Concept is the name of the box/folder, and cam, anarch, sabbat, and independent factions are all different files inside of that box. All societies need some form of governing structure. Fromthe most primitive and ancient of kine societies to the most advanced societies in all the worlds. Being anarch doesn't mean being completley ungoverned. It means being free to choose our own governmet rather than having one imposed upon you by an elder whose favorit one is seleted(ofted monarchy/dictatorship). The status perfectus itself even declares it so.

The difference is we vote our leaders in and out and so can be sure they are always working towards the best interst of the comunity. The fear of being cam comes from the idea that a leader is so by default, by age and can't usually be exchanged peaceably. In that position, power can be abused to suit the "leaders" own ends even at the expense of the community. Our style of doing it prevents that from happening.

Yes. I'll talk about the sabbat in a moment. I've a document here for you lot to discuss too, pertaining to them.

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@Tennar
The beurocratic republican style government; common by the by on many college campus's as the form of student senates even; and seen as high up a even the US Congress and British Parliament involves people as the constituents. They each choose a representeive to whom they express there opinions of how things ought to be done. In Rockland, the ganglords represent these representetives. They are granted there positions by the consensus of their own gangs; their own constituency.

These representetives then bring the interests and concerns and proposals of their constiuencies to the table; or if you prefer, the hopper, if you find 'table' to be to closely linked to the name "conclave"; but semantics don't really bother me truth to tell.

These representeives then create the executive committee or cabinet; the board of directors, etc. Who's job is to administrate the beaurocracy and cary out or even enforce the communities decisions as neccesary.

In practical terms, it means that when we come up with a stratagy to successfuly counter a problem; be that problem, hunters, sabbat, or simple economic depresion. We can then cary that soulution forward into action. The leaders, upon final resolution; take the plan back to their constituents again, this time to begin orchestrating their part in the counter-offensive. By this point though, we need the constituents; the rest of the anarch community, to be satisfied with their part in formulating the plans before that moment, and when the moment comes, be ready willing and able to carry out their assigned duties; as a unit without further squabbling.

That's how things are heald together without falling apart.

Of course, this takes a long time to do properly, which beings us back to the need for emergency decision making on the spur of the moment if no other options are available. The community must actually trust its leaders enough to make decisions without immediate consultation first.

Similarly, both myself and any other cabinet member must have the right and authority to convene emergency cabinet sessions on the spot: or else, the community must once again be willing to allow the barons office directly, the right and authority to immediatly make a decision(s) on behalf the body politique, in those ocasions when an immediate decision is required and there is not time to consult with a committee.
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Billy · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 197

*when seeing Alex, Billy gives him a nod and quietly says to him*

que tal amigo?. tu teines sus bitches aqui?
(for those with Spanish linguistics...whats up friend? do you have your bitches here?)

*Billy sits quietly during the conversation, when Alura and Charles look at Billy he raises his eyebrow intimidatingly with a look of "ya got something to say to me". When Alura mentions the hunter outreach program, Billy's left eye starts to twitch a bit, but then subsides. When Alura mentions memory span of children, Billy's eye twitches again and he begins to tap his right hand fingers. When Alura mentions we're freaking cam not anarch, Billy just puts his head into his hand in a frustrated pose and stays in that position*

*Then Billy removes his hand in dramatic fashion and begins to address the group*

WHELL THEN! although i do truly enjoy this conversation on what kind of government we should be running i just have a few things i need clarification on.

These systems of government all have some sort of justice. Now in my opinion when people decide to kill others for no reason then they are murderers. So if some mortals go around killing fellow vampires then there needs to be some justice served *looking at Alura* so if someone were to truly suggest Hunters need to be reformed instead of punished i think it's a little retarded.

Now that i have your attention Alura, I'm a little confused. Alura i see you as an equal and i would hope that you would hold me, and the other anarchs to such a standard. However when a comment of "attention and memory span of children" that seems to be directed to most of the vampire in this room. i can't help but feel slighted by this comment. Especially when it is followed by a comment like "they(the elders) would treat us like adults instead of children". I truly, TRULY hope i have had an error of miscommunication on this but to help qualm my rage maybe you could answer this. Are we children or Adults according to you?

*to the general assembly*
the government of this county last time i checked is gangs and a gang council to decide matters of the county as a whole. I will assure any one in this room that i don't bow to any prince, there is no "council of elders" pulling my strings. And as always we are anarchs, not the cam not the sabbat. We are us, that's it.

If people feel they are pulled by puppet masters, princes or elders. I would suggest that they not rope all the people in the room to their particular problem. especially if that person were trying to learn how to quell the beast and yet says a lot of things that just might, kind of, a little bit, maybe agitate the beasts. oh and if someone is going to us a cus as an intensifier might i recommend that you don't censor yourself. freaking doesn't have the same effect as fucking, so if you wish to show passion then use the word properly god dammit!

WHOO! i feel a lot better now Smile

*to Charles*
Rockledge two things, First did you suggest that i become this leader that i asked for? and secondly i like to think i know a lot on history as well, most societies throughout history were run by dictators, monarchs, dynasties, emperors, lords, or a lot of things. If your referring to these "great" societies like Rome, Ancient Greece or China. they became great when a dictator steeped in...i find it to be a little contradictory that you compare us to them.
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Charles Rockledge · Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:11 pm Post subject:

You're right about the justice portion of the equation of course. Of course this can be a two edged sword; create a double standart that is indeed hypocitical. Afterall, The Cabelleros murdered V and everyone else went along with it and o shares culpability. What should the punishment be for that? I agree though, nevertheless, when hunters or sabat or corporte lawers come into our doain for the purpose of sewing harm and discord. They must be punished for it; at best to deter others, who think it an eay job to do the same.

-Raises my eyebrow at the question of whether Alura considers us children. Very slightly smiles at the irony.

Well, you do seem remarkably organised and to have a knack for motivating action; so on the one hand, I'd say yes, eventually: I'm only doin' this job for the duration of our war effort, which I predict will be unavoidable, especially considering the general attitudes of the sabbat and even the camarilla at present. After that, presuming I'm not dead, I plan to return my attentions to my REAL job, and leave the office in the hands of then next party on. On the other hand though, you did vote yes to turning V over to be murdered. With all due repect, I believe I would prefer my next baron to be someone who wouldn't sacrifice his own if it can at all possibly be avoided.

Rome became great before Julius ceasar decided to make a go at declaring himself emperor. That began a series of civil wars that weakened Rome itself desite further imperialistic growth of its dominions, leading to its eventual demise. Before that Rome was run by a senate with a Consol. Sometimes two co-consuls or a triumvurate containg a Proconsul and two Co-consols.

Ancient Greece never united as a true nation, but certain of the citystates, most notably Athens, was completley democractic except in times of war when they'd elect a tyrant to rule for the duration of the war. I'm agreeing yes, that this is superior political stratagey for maitaining freedom long term. The concept that in short term it gets sacrificed as the price of defeating the enemy. Once the tyrant; akin at the time to general or warlord with skills in that area, was elected, the people obeyed knowing that speed was life and victory, while the lenght of time democracy took to make a decision would get them all killed. Of course, the wrong decision by the tyrant would get them all killed too. This is why the most skilled and trustworty get elected.

Baron Francois Bardonia was most skilled. He was also trusted until mustacheman came in, stirring up trouble bandying about acusations of princehood
-glances at allura
and swaying popular opinion.
When threats came, and Francois issued orders to counteract those threats, we carried out those orders. We never had is as bad as all this curent situation back in those good ol' days.

So I do yes support the idea that as long as you put leaders in place whose talents match the situation of the time, then it should indeed be standard operating proceedure to then go about following those leaders.

At present though, I'm not looking to be endowed with any kind of similar authority as all that, because for one thing, I don't actualy have centuries of personal expriecne to draw wisdom from. Most of my skills are book-learned knowledge with barely a decade of practical applications behind them. So, I'm glad of, and grateful for, other people being involved in the process.

Still, we are left with the circumstance, as demonstrated at the party, of sometimes needing an immediate decision without 30 days to consult on it. When this happens, what's the plan?
This should be up for vote right now.
May I indeed call for an emergency cabinet meeting on the spot
OR
Do I make the decision myself?
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Tenna · Joined: 21 Apr 2010 Posts: 35

How I see it, perhaps we should replicate the 'libertarian political theory' and alter that to benefit all anarch's, and not breech masquerade, of course. This would mean, any and all actions in a free society would be subject to contract. "Voluntaryism " also sounds like something we should explore maybe. Thats just my thoughts though.
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"we waste away from
hands of greed. Jesus nailed to wooded T's
cannot compete with my disease.
Humanity the weak condition
my soul is sick from my decision."
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OOC- Crystal anne

Alura · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 369

You're absolutely right Billy. Who should pay for V's death?

Also yes the Elders think of us as children. And as for the memory span comment, you'll notice a year from now that today's events were merely forgotten about. When you live for centuries, perhaps a year is but a moment. But perhaps we take these moments too much for granted. Look at all whom have died in the past year.

An eye for an eye will leave everyone blind. A life for a life, will leave everyone dead.

As for censuring myself. There are ladies present. It is always better to be polite. Perhaps I do have a little more etiquette than most. You can be expressive without using foul language.

And yes I would like to learn how to calm the beast. I hear it can work wonders against the Sabbat, and Camerillian Mages. They are called tremere and I was planning on going into Cam territory again. It would be nice to be able to defend myself properly should we find ourselves at odds, or we get into a fight with some Sabbat.

Perhaps it would even work against these hunter mages. If we can shut down their magic, they would be but mortals with swords.

These hunters are also different than paladins. A paladin would never blame an innocent for their own doing, or use explosives to put many innocents in harm's way.

As for controlling one, I was clearly suggesting that we do it the ventrue way. Again we're deal with mortals here. Get some darn knock out gas traps and call it a day.

As for a hunter outreach program. They are after us for the same reason you suggested Billy. Supposedly vampires killed their families. Their loved ones. They wish to get revenge and then kill us. We kill them. The cycle of violence continues. For every hunter we kill, they will simply recruit more and grow stronger later. We will strengthen their cause.

We have but 3 options.

1. Get them out of town. We can do this by shaming them, removing their influence, making it impossible for them to cover up their big glowing blue swords and explosions.

2. Capture one, find out everything they know and go from there to take down the entire terror cell.

3. Make some sort of peace with them.

Or 4. Make them think vampires don't exist. Unfortunately they already know we exist. It would take a while to rehabilitate them to be able to release them into the wild.

Perhaps some combination of the lot.

And don't think those Auspex I taught you won't help you against the hunters. When they came last time it was the best weapon we have. We've dealt with hunters before, and information is key. Perhaps speak to the Masons and ask what they did to get rid of them last time.

You know besides sending us to a warehouse, where it was a trap and we almost lost every vampire who went. I'm sure that was a diversion so the Masons could handle the problem.

But then again we're nothing like Cam are we?

Oh and I'm pretty sure Francois doesn't want the position. I've offered it to him several times. You and I both know (to Charles) that I would still stand behind him.

As for voluntarism, we tried running it that way, and it was overthrown in a month.

And Billy. Some things are better off left unsaid.

Charles Rockledge · Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:12 pm Post subject:

Actually, one of the strategic reccomendations I am making to you all isin fact that we should each pair up with one another acording to a schedual and begin homogonising our combatspeciic discipline suites. That's a long term plan. For the shor term, I still would like print up some phalanx mnuers for everone to work around clusters of already specilised individuals. I'm tired of reacting planless to every surprise attack. We should be able to anticipate attacks; heck theyoccur every month, and react in a specific fashion towards each kind. ixing up several solutions to the same kind of assult so as t prevent predictability and ease of discerning our patterns.

@Allura
Can you quell a divine channeling?

Obvioulsy they do target innocent 'colltoral damage'. This lot at least. Perhaps they've gone rogue like blackguard, and its infernal magic pretending to b celestial, but no evidence of that yet.
More likely, they were following the bishop or his get about, and as he's been hanging about us lately, perhaps they assume we, indeed all the kindred in the area, arepart of the bishops group. If they don'tknow about the sects, and several hunters in the past apparently
didn't know enough about us to know that, then theycan be under the assumption all of us and whoever we interact with are foul scum up to no good, with no innocents amongst us.

It doesn't help that the sabat don't care about masquerade andwe keep accidentially breeching it ourselves giving the faulse impression that w don't care about it either.

I think you're underestimating their power thinking ofthemas 'mere' mortals. We had been previously suspecting they were angelic. Outright. Not merley fanatics, but phisiologically, somehow different from the kine by virtue of being "angelic". Remember, I couldn't break into their mind. It took krystoph at the time (an elder?) who has significantly more power than I. They wer also to ableto attack my astral form and induce horrible searing wrenching pain, without really doing anything overt. Thisis powerful bunch we're dealing with. Not as easily written off as just another group of hunters passing through.

The ventrue way? You mean conditioning them? That doesn't ount as "rehabilitation". Besides which, they can not function in human society properly and wihout suspicionafter the fact. Look how easily we were able to identiy the conditioned mortals that DH let in the gallery, on account of their odd behavior.

-Charles eyes fadeout into the distance
No, if I try to "redeem" one of them, I need to go all the way with the task. Like when I tried to "salvage" a proto-fomorie. This means proving we are capable of love, hope, and the higher passions as much as any human at the very least is capable of. I can only do this by committing ALL of mine unto the target; by making that person my family and binding us together that thoroughly.

I didn't fancy the experience of loosing Fionnghuallah, and am not anxios to to try adopt another son or daughter only to have the community demand their head from me in vengeance, or justice; or to have the sabat or camarilla claim their claim their head and the community decide to give it to them in appeasment or as part of a settlement of some kind.

No, if you lot were to set me the task of trying to convert one of them to our side, then you would need to agree to let me keep whoever it is when the situation is resolved. They would be my son or daughter then and I wouldn't allow any harm to befall them that is within my power to prevent. I'd sooner have to abscond with my whole family and flee this domain.
-Shakes his head and brings his eyes back into focus.

Allura is right about option one. That's been on the table for months. Now we've finnaly got a table we should get on it. Between evenjust the 3 of us, Billy, I and Allura, we have enough police influence to take actions we would otherwise require Francois himself to take on our behalf. If we can pool even more into one comunal pot directed by ths cabinet against the hunters, we should be able to make a solid effort of reclaiming full control of the police from them. Police influence so poached from hunter controll should then be allocated out amongsth the anarch community so eveyone has at least one. It's importan we begin concentrating the vital influences into the hands of Anachs so other parties can't keep comming in and claiming it without a fight.

There might be another way to do that then even capturing one. If only we can successfully find out where they are during their dayjob secret identities or whatever, perhaps if they are not all as angelic as those ones trying to abduct the ghouls from stillettos were, then we can astral project into the vicinity of one of them, and use a telepatic mind probe or even dominate? (OOC: @ST can we?) to learn what we need to know. The higher ups will likely be shielded somehow, but even if we can only begin infiltrating them at the bottom tiers, it's still a place to start.

suggestion 3 would involve us talking with them somewhere that is not a trap either or us or for them. I don't think either side trusts the other enough to set up a ceas-fire for the purposes of opening negotiations of a truce. At least not yet.

4 is impossible with this lot. Short of erasing completletly the last like whole year of their life fromthei minds. We're not even meley suspicion for them here. Tey've witnessed us. Up close. They've seen ME get blown up and not be dead.

Allura! That was like in April of 2007. I think my first night ever.
As I recall it, some folks went rushing into a wreouse unprepared; that wasin camarilla territory to boot; with guns blazing. Luckily, I think they all escaped alive.

What does being or not being like the cam have to do with that? The cam don't do that either? That's just more biggoted propaganda that folks from th disloyalist opposition anarch faction liketo spount to make reformers think there's no hope for "fixing" the camarilla after all. The Cam have their own "warrior" types to deal with trouble so the non-combtants don't have to bother. Especially our own Clan. The toreador have like 3 seperate groups that do the fighting so most other toreador can sit out the fights.

Oh absolutly, without a doubt.
-There is absolutly no traceof sarcasm at all in Charles voice, which remains a sincer as it always does.

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OOC: @Peachy I'm looking up libertarian political theory and voluntaryism now. My character would know what it is, but I'm not familiar with it IRL. I'll respond to that bit in the morning; I just don't want it to look like I'm ignoring your post.
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Charles Rockledge · Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:51 pm Post subject:

OOC: @Peachy, I just finished reading THIS!

The only thing I can find in common from amongst the vast diversity of libertarian political philosophies is that they are pro-decentralisation of government; opposed to the concept of any kind of central authority being concentrated withing "The State."

That's sort of what we have had this last year or so.
I don't believe they are correct in that ascertation.
I'm advocating in favor of centralisation.

From my point of view, liberty always seems to be lost when people try to eliminate all forms of "rule" from their own society. Either the tyranny of the majority begins to oppress the minorities, or else the lack of organisation and proper administration of defensive resources leads to that seemly free society getting conquored by forces whose millitary capacities are superior due precicely to the superior organisation and dispensation of stratagies and resources.

Similarly, liberty has always seemd to me to be the most well protected and safeguarded when a just "ruler" is rallied around. All my favorite tales that I read to the wee ones at hospitals and orpanages have the "freedom fighters" ralling around King Arthur or King Richard and Robin Hood, or Don... Zorros father. The wicked "rulers" are displaced by ones who prove they actually care about bettering the welfare of the people.
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Tenna · Joined: 21 Apr 2010 Posts: 35

Well of course we cannot totally rule out authority. There MUST be some form of authority in all societies, obviously. I feel compelled to agree with you on favoring centralization. But I'm sure we can find a semi-perfect medium. Everyone does have a voice, but what is 'good' for everyone may not be favorable.
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"we waste away from
hands of greed. Jesus nailed to wooded T's
cannot compete with my disease.
Humanity the weak condition
my soul is sick from my decision."
GOREgeous 3
OOC- Crystal anne

Charles Rockledge · Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:30 pm Post subject:

That's true. This cabinet is compromise between what we had two years ago and what we had for the last two years. It spreads power out that was formerly concentrated directly in the barons office, but it consoldates that power in a central administrative system, the cabinet, rather than have no source at all for coordinating actions between the different gangs and their townships. As for what's good being unfavorable at times, this is true too. Unfortunatly, it seems to be true more often than not. Hopefullly we can all agree that eliminating the hunters from the area would be both good and favorable. Each other issue will have to be discussed in their turn to find everyone opinions.
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Billy · Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 197

*after a slight look of confusion on billy's face after alura's comments*

OK...um...right...moving on...so the system that was set up two months ago is defined as what exactly?

*to Charles*

i think its funny that your using Robin Hood as an example of a freedom fighter...considering he's a work of fiction. and if any of the adaptations are anything to shout about, Robin settled things with weapons, not words or influence. Personally i like my freedom fighters like Martin Luther. Ya know King Richard is also funny because the crusades was the thing he was most famous for which took his religious dogma and he imposed it by taking land by force, oppressing another groups views on life...and probably killed them if they didn't convert. for some reason im reminded of Sabbat. Speaking of which you said you had a document pertaining to the sabbat...where is that exactly?
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Charles Rockledge · Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 9:17 am Post subject:

Not completley. Like all the old legends, Robn Hood has historical basis in fact. Scholars presume at the very least that the Robin Hood tales are an amalgam of various different highwaymen. At the time all Highwaymen were reffer to as wolfseheads or Robyn Hoods, or Robyn Wolfsheads.

Also, fiction or otherwise, it, like all stories until the modern age were the means not of entertaining an audiance or selling commercial product, but of conveying information before there were public school systems and the like. Stories were the primary means by wich the public learned various things; including ethics. Fairy tales weren't the light-hearted disney adaptations of today, but horror stories that depict the consequences of choosing a path other than the one that ought to be traveled.

-Raises my Eyebrow at Billy
Alura is like Martain Luther.
As I was given to undestand, one of the main reasons you lot considered my administrative style to be the better suited to the current situation then her own was that I AM in fact willing to consider the use weapons; direct action, against some of our foes, if that should present itself as the best option, rather than reject that notion out of hand. Allura's highest commitment is to peace and is excellente at setling matters with words that can be so settled. I support peace when it is practically tenable, but when war is staring us in the face, rather than planning for the peace, I plan for the victory. After we win, we can have peace. Peace without victory has long since stopped being peaceful.

For years we'e tried to maintain 'the piece' between us and the sabbat and the camarilla, and look at the result. They both percieve us as being SO weak that we'd give away an entire township in desperation for the loan of their strength against a common enemy; or even because they thingk they can simply strong-arm us into it, and we've not got what it takes to resist them; at least not in any kind of manner that would be to costly for them to choose not to bother investing the resources rquired to srong-arm us in the first place.

This is unacceptable. At the very best, they should be vying to offer incentives to US for the loan of OUR strength against a common enemy. At the the very least, they should aknowledge hunters as a common enem, who are active in all the domains anyway. This shouldn't be a trade scenario. This should be a case, of comon sense telling everyone to unite against the hunters just to stop them from hunting cam, anarchs, sabat and indepentents alike, then we can go back to fighting with one another afterwards.

They're not though, vying for our strenght, because we haven't demonstrated any. Not like we used to, or like we are capable of. We have such vast potential sitting untapped in this county, and we need to tap it, and impress upon them all, that we are in fact strong, and self-reliant, and not easily to be trifled or reckoned with.

The sabbat should be afraid to pull their little stunts in OUR county because it would cost them too much that they'd rather invest against the Cam.

The Prince or his archon or regent or whatever should not be of a mindset to sneer when we offer to reclaim counties from the north in exchange for townships in our own county and other concessions. What he witnesses when visiting us should build our reputation in the northeast, so that other domains, be they anarch, cam or independent would be glad of an offer of an Anarch warrior phalanx from Rockland to take part in battle with them against some foe or another; glad and grateful. Gratitude that can be brokered into even greater security and momentum for this county.

For example, you must have an idea of the kind of knowledge floating around out there? Knowledge we lack in this county; lores and techniques and styles of working with disciplines, and more. Knowledge is my favorite form of power. I find it most delicious, and it is one of my my dearest wishes to be able to import some to the anarchs of Rockland county. This requires bargaining potential on our part. Bargaining potential we do not have as long as we are continually percieved as the victims and never the victors.

The crusades origonally were a political stunt by the Roman Katholic Church. They used to pretext of reclaiming The Holy Land from the blasphemers to formerly unite christian europe behind the 'spiritual' authority of the Pope. Many likewise used it as pretext for their own excuse to pilage and plunder. Not all though. Some were sincerly convinced they were doing the Lords work by fighting in the crusades. Even Saint Francis was eager in his youth to soldier in the crusades. At least until the Lord actually told him better.

King Richard, at least as popularly depicted wasn't one of the evil men using the crusades as a pretext. Similarly, his part in the story is meant to illistrate the fact that it is bad for a 'ruler to go off to other countries abandoning his own people to tyrants and userpers. Richard learns by the conclusion of the tale that going of to a forign war was foolish and his responsability was at home where he ought never have left in the first place. Robin even berates him suchin some versions befoelearning it is in fact the king to whom he is speaking.

Yes, documents, I'm sorry"
-Charles returns to his stack of papers
"I'd prepared some of these for last Sunday in case we did in fact discuss buisness then but...
-trails off and continues shuffling through the stack.

(OOC: I'll post this by the 2ndish, I'm compiling some stuff now I've got access back to all my old files.)
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Charles Rockledge · Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:52 am Post subject:

"Ah, here it is"
-Charles pulls out papers and begin passing coppies to the assembed.
"please remember to shred hese on your way out ant end of the meeting.
-Charles points to a shredder nex to a bucket of water which already contains some paper mulch.

Allura is right to bring up bits of the past that we'd otherwise be doomed to repeat if forgotten. As there are few remaining anarchs who know everything the sabbat have done to us rcently, I've taken the liberty of compiling a summary.

Charles Rockledge · Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:13 pm Post subject:

My wee one was watching the simpsons and telling me about the time Bart lay across five states at once at the point where all their boarders happened to meet. It re-inforced this idea for me which I've been holding out hopes for for quite a while.

Charles Rockledge · Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:48 pm Post subject:

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OOC: Concerning the timeline; apparently this last page and a half has occured that sunday before christmas immidiatly following the conclusion of game.

For the purposes of including folk who were not at game, Masons, Bandelleros, Harlequins, etc, does anyone mind if we say that sunrise is imminent and we will reconvene in 2 weeks, after the holidays, so everyone concerned can recieve a formal invitation and have time to respond?

All posts after this can then be presumed to occur on Sunday January 2nd. with transcribed notes from tonight made available to all attendees?
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Edit: Apparently so, I've just seen Bruce's new thread.
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